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> Have to laugh at all the Americans saying this is crazy or nonsensical when it's legal to carry guns in much of your country :-D Not making the connection here, care to elaborate?

The TV license is an admittedly odd way of funding a state broadcaster, but it works well enough that nobody has bothered to change it. One mass shooting on the scale of El Paso was enough to prompt a systematic overhaul of British firearms legislation; we just can't understand how so many American citizens can comfortably reconcile your extraordinarily high rate of gun violence with your exceptionally lax gun regula…

"The TV license is an admittedly odd way of funding a state broadcaster, but it works well enough that nobody has bothered to change it."

I think the concept of the license is rather alien to people in countries where all civic amenities are subject to the whims of democracy and the government. This is very much not true of many things in the UK (the BBC, the Army, numerous universities and schools, guilds and societies) which would formally exist even if the government were to disappear.

I know you probably know all this, so this is really for everyone else's benefit.. but the BBC's entire basis is defined by a Royal Charter which is independent of politics. If the government of the day (or, say, a Trump-esque character) hates the BBC, they can't suddenly defund or destroy it. This is why we do not pay for it in a tax (which the government could adjust) but via a license defined by Royal Charter.

I think the British way of having government merely being one more institution amongst many (rather than the institution) is a rather powerful advantage.

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Netflix and Amazon prime are not TV and don't require a TV licence. https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ104 But indeed, watching any channel on TV (not just the BBC) requires a licence.

I think they make it incredibly clear in their message though: If you’re watching live TV, you need to be covered by a TV Licence: a. if you’re watching on TV or on an online TV service b. for all channels, not just the BBC c. ...

Incredibly vague, does a live stream fall afoul of that rule?

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> "If you live in the UK and own a TV you must pay the BBC whether you want the BBC or not!" This isn't true.

For most people it is though. They don't want to take the risk even if they don't use a TV...

Sure, but I was responding to the idea that literally just having a TV means you have to pay it. But ye for most people having a TV is synonymous with having a TV license.

I remember at uni though having to have a TV license, even not having a TV, to watch iPlayer. And there is no such thing as a communal license in halls.

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> evidence from a detector van had never been submitted How could it be, if the mechanism behind the detector is not made public? Prosecutor: This machine says you are guilty. Defendant: How does that machine work? Prosecutor: You aren't allowed to know. Defendant: ??? Judge: Case dismissed.

That's what parallel construction is for!

Its the opposite. The TV vans were the parallel construction, they couldn't have worked but they were known to send licensing officers to look through peoples windows during prime TV watching hours.

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This kinda makes me thing back to scrambled channels and how companies detected the use of illegal decoder boxes. A lot of them used equipment could detect the demodulation used by a decode and checked to see if you were paying the fee. An easy way around it was just using two VCRs, one before the decode and one after, to stabilize the RF signal.

I remember a satelite TV company put a message to call a particular number, and then filtered out the message in their official smart cards. Everyone who called the number was pirating their signal.

Satellite TV company arranges to "brick" pirate cards across the US days before the Superbowl: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-jan-27-mn-17728...

https://blog.codinghorror.com/revisiting-the-black-sunday-ha...

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Swedish public service transitioned from a per-household fee (for households that held devices capable of showing RF broadcast TV) to a per citizen tax January 1st this year. Of course, they go to great lengths to avoid calling it a tax, but... well, it is a tax. I don't really like it. There's no opt-out any longer. And the content is predictably all-consuming leftist.

If you think (centrist) Swedish public broadcasting is all-consuming leftist, I have really bad news about the current (centrist, but notionally centre-left) Swedish government!

The current Swedish government is centrist on money issues, and very leftist on cultural issues. The same goes for the public broadcasting.

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But you have to opt out of watching all live tv for your method to work.

I haven't had live TV at home for the last 9 years. We spent a week at a cabin few weeks ago which had a TV and my wife put it on out of curiousity - I think I was mostly just shocked that people pay for this crap, you get like 15 minutes of whatever programme followed by 5 minutes of ads? In 2019? And people still pay a licence for this? Insanity.

"5 minutes of ads"

thats not the BBC then is it.

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I never paid for a license. It's insane to be forced to subscribe to a handful of channels you may or may not be interested in.

The "inspectors" have no legal right to enter your property, so you can simply tell them to fuck off.

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Sounded like they do have technology to tell what content you are watching, which is even more ridiculous.

It would've been borderline-possible in the days of over-the-air television - the first local oscillator in the TV is going to be tuned to a frequency directly related to the channel being watched, so RF leakage would make the channel detectable.

If you can get any light fluctuation reading at all from the room, you could correlate that with the live channel broadcast and get a match.

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A bad breathalyzer can be challenged in court as "not scientifically reliable". https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/08/22/ju...

A dog though is considered always reliable: https://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/supreme-court-alert-by-a-t... So maybe they should have used TV-sniffing dogs instead? :)

Subtly different situation -- a dog sniff is only an indicator of probable cause, while a breathalyzer may be presented as evidence of guilt.
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