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Re: GitHub Actions now supports CI/CD, free for public repositories

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Post by ihnorton »

oaiey wrote: post #48

I do not understand why Microsoft finances this. I understand the hosting as a specialized social platform, but GitHub Actions vs. Azure DevOps Pipelines are a duplicated effort. Better integration for GitHub for the Azure DevOps suite would solve that in a similar way without duplication of capabilities.

> Better integration for GitHub for the Azure DevOps suite

One small improvement I would really appreciate is a reduction in the number of clicks required to reach the real build status page. Clicking "Details" on a status row for a travis build takes me directly to the summary on travis, whereas for azure it leads to a redundant summary page hosted on github first, and requires another click to actually reach azure.

Re: GitHub Actions now supports CI/CD, free for public repositories

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

manigandham wrote: post #124
eklavya wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what real scenario do you see a monopoly not doing exactly what monopolies do? Do they have some moral code they can't break? Do they hate money? What exactly is it that would make them immune to human tendencies?

Github is an example.

It's been less than a year since the MS acquisition. Give it time.

Re: GitHub Actions now supports CI/CD, free for public repositories

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Post by techntoke »

GitHub is way late to the game here. I personally have started moving away from GitHub. They don't even offer an open source version, yet try to claim to be some gift for open source. GitLab is better, but their architecture is a bit more complicated than it should be. I really like sites that use Gitea, but they haven't integrated CI/CD like GitLab, nor have they proven to scale with their own hosted solution. When I think about the point of these solutions though, there is a lot of opportunity here. Heck, Git is decentralized and distributed by itself. Really people just want a place to manage their issues and MRs, and I hope someone will decentralize that with a native app and then add additional features that integrate into multiple providers with ease.

Re: GitHub Actions now supports CI/CD, free for public repositories

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Post by hlarsen »

eklavya wrote: post #120
manigandham wrote: post #108

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A monopoly is not inherently bad. They often benefit users with increased efficiency and productivity. They're only bad when progress stagnates and/or prices rise. In this case, Github is actively competing and adding features that helps all of their users. If that means that some other companies lose market share then it's just a sign that the value proposition has changed. I see no problem with this, it's how the m…

In what real scenario do you see a monopoly not doing exactly what monopolies do? Do they have some moral code they can't break? Do they hate money? What exactly is it that would make them immune to human tendencies?

this is where the Valve vs Epic argument gets interesting as Valve has consistently been pro-consumer, so i have no problem with them being a monopoly.

Epic appears to be firmly pro-developer, which no matter what Tim Sweeney says isn't currently translating into an improved consumer experience.

Re: GitHub Actions now supports CI/CD, free for public repositories

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

clarkmoody wrote: post #128
eklavya wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what real scenario do you see a monopoly not doing exactly what monopolies do? Do they have some moral code they can't break? Do they hate money? What exactly is it that would make them immune to human tendencies?

Monopolies are subject to the laws of economics. GitHub has gained near-monopoly status because it has provided a superior user experience at a great price. If either of those value propositions start to crumble, git remote add ... Exploitative monopolies almost always have help from the state: The Patent Office, Interstate Commerce Commission, Federal Reserve, FDA, etc either grant monopoly or cartel privilege to th…

Basically everyone I talk to despises Facebook, which gets pretty much no help from the state, but they still use it because there are no real alternatives.

My argument is that technological platforms are pretty special when it comes to monopoly power because their lock in/switching costs are so high that they can last long after they've stagnated in terms of innovation.

And they just buy up all their competition.

Re: GitHub Actions now supports CI/CD, free for public repositories

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Post by gigatexal »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #85

This is very interesting to me. It also makes me think about the natural rise of monopolies and monoculture in tech. GitHub has really been extending to "eating the world" as of late. Recently in terms of their package registry that must have folks like Artifactory and Nexus a bit shaken, and now this, which is bad news for folks like CircleCI (and I say this as a CircleCI user). As a developer, in the short term I l…

I think you’re conflating monopoly and vertical integration. GitHub is not abusing its power as the market leader just yet. What it is doing is what Apple has been for years: make its core product and other products work better together causing users who use one to want to use all the others.

Re: GitHub Actions now supports CI/CD, free for public repositories

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Post by jclem »

rtsao wrote: post #123
jclem wrote: post #115

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Hi I'm an engineer on Actions, and a few months ago I probably would have said the same thing, but I've come around to it (and then some). We spent a ton of time working through the syntax changes in HCL, YAML, and other languages. What we found was that while HCL and other languages are amazing for expressing pure configuration, software development lifecycle and continuous integration workflows are a blend of confi…

Did you evaluate TOML and if so, what were the drawbacks you identified for the workflow use case?

From what I remember, we did look at it some, but I can't remember many specifics, unfortunately. Looking at it now, I think that it wouldn't give us some of the flexibility that we want—for example, TOML arrays can only contain values of a single type, and for the sake of brevity, there were places in our configuration where we wanted to allow you to, for example, pass either a shorthand string or an object.

Re: GitHub Actions now supports CI/CD, free for public repositories

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Post by manigandham »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #132
manigandham wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Github is an example.

It's been less than a year since the MS acquisition. Give it time.

Microsoft is an even better example of a massive company continually competing. Their dev/tech products and tools have gotten magnitudes better in recent years.
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