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Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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The land of the free: now with mandatory drugs testing at work.

If you're getting a drug test it's most likely because there are safety and insurance implications. Don't pretend like most of us are being randomly tested at work.

"Safety and insurance implications" are an infinite excuse for employers to abuse you unless you have a legal system to protect you from asymmetrical power relationships.

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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They are being treated equally. A citizen of France who is resident in Luxembourg would be able to purchase. A citizen of Luxembourg who is resident in France, wouldn't. You can have rules that apply only to residents, but they have to be applied to any resident.

It is my understanding that this ability to discriminate only applies to acts by the state but not to commerce.

Perhaps this could be workable by issuing all residents a license to buy? Restriction in buying items certainly exist: guns, alcohol, etc

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I walk into a cannabis store near me and see young white people behind the counter, and I know the license holder is a wealthy white person (because it's public record). I know the company running the government website where I can buy online is owned and run by a bunch of rich white men (because it's a public company) and most its employees are well-educated, well-to-do white men because I know many of them personal…

> It's the dealers on the street who suffer the most from the legalization of the recreational cannabis trade. Good. Nothing is stopping non white people from opening legal dispensaries. Don’t be so racist, maybe smoke some weed and chill out?

Well, the fact that they're in jail for being such innovative, ahead of the curve entrepreneurs stops them from opening legal dispensaries.

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Also some large companies will fire you if you test positive for it even if you work in a state where it’s legal.

The land of the free: now with mandatory drugs testing at work.

But obviously not testing for coffee, because that drug (although it can be deadly and habit forming) makes people work harder.

Perfectly reasonable. And don't forget, "only losers do drugs"...

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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The dominoes fall, one by one. The upside is that the wealth from legal cannabis sales will now flow through to the rich white men where it belongs rather than to the minority folk who dominate the black market.

Sorry, smart folks don't want black market product. Learn how the world works.

Black markets exist because demand for a good or service is there despite the effort of those in power to control the supply. This is how the world works.

Smart folks don't just accept arbitrary and capricious rules that in practice cause more harm than good. Wise people work to change the rules in such cases. That's what they're trying to do in Luxembourg.

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It's funny how these things turn our expectations upside-down. I'm from the UK originally and they semi-recently (~10 years ago) upgraded the severity with which they treat cannabis so that it's now "Class B". This means that mere possession can result in "Up to 5 years in prison, an unlimited fine or both" (more @ https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing ). So yeah, your country might not be so backwards…

At least USA has racism as an excuse for banning jazz cigarettes, but why does UK want to put people in jail for smoking weed?

While it’s true it was upgraded to class B somewhat absurdly and has theoretical significant penalties for use, the reality is police simply don’t really pay attention to individual use and the law is not really enforced to that extent against individual users. You’d have to be staggeringly unlucky to see jail time for simply smoking a joint in the UK, something reflected in the large drop in convictions etc even after the status change.

> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-going-soft-on-cann...

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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The land of the free: now with mandatory drugs testing at work.

But obviously not testing for coffee, because that drug (although it can be deadly and habit forming) makes people work harder. Perfectly reasonable. And don't forget, "only losers do drugs"...

Yes, and a bunch of harder drugs that destroy lives and are much more dangerous than cannabis, but perfectly fine because some big corp is making billions selling it.

No security implications there. Of course, by security, it is meant "security against lawsuits". Actual human beings don't really matter in this equation.

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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> It's the dealers on the street who suffer the most from the legalization of the recreational cannabis trade. Good. Nothing is stopping non white people from opening legal dispensaries. Don’t be so racist, maybe smoke some weed and chill out?

Well, the fact that they're in jail for being such innovative, ahead of the curve entrepreneurs stops them from opening legal dispensaries.

Definitely that, and the ability to pull a $60,000 line of credit out of a hat just to submit a license application. If most dealers could go to the bank and get that kind of credit, they would probably have chosen a different line of work.

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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If you're getting a drug test it's most likely because there are safety and insurance implications. Don't pretend like most of us are being randomly tested at work.

"Safety and insurance implications" are an infinite excuse for employers to abuse you unless you have a legal system to protect you from asymmetrical power relationships.

Uh huh. I'll remember that the next time a ton of bricks falls on my head when passing a construction site.

Do you have any reason to believe this is an actual, honest to God, widespread problem?

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how these things turn our expectations upside-down. I'm from the UK originally and they semi-recently (~10 years ago) upgraded the severity with which they treat cannabis so that it's now "Class B". This means that mere possession can result in "Up to 5 years in prison, an unlimited fine or both" (more @ https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing ). So yeah, your country might not be so backwards…

At least USA has racism as an excuse for banning jazz cigarettes, but why does UK want to put people in jail for smoking weed?

High-grade 'skunk' weed and a few concerned parents.

Under New Labour (not to be confused with the Labour Party) the generic catch-all term 'cannabis' was down-graded to Class C. So still illegal.

Then, after a few complaints from parents with kids ending up in lunatic asylums due to smoking too much high-grade weed, something had to be done.

The market for weed has changed a lot over the years, in the last century the product came from who-knows-where and was generally that resin stuff with who-knows-what in it.

Then the market changed to the regular 'skunk' weed - dried leaves of weed.

This then became a bit of a racket, if you believe the Daily Mail it became the business of Vietnamese gangs with the money being laundered through cash only nail bars. For a while the product was quite dangerously adulterated with wallpaper paste sprayed on to make it look extra good. The slight problem with this is that the wallpaper paste would not do wonders for circulatory systems, giving rise to blood clots etc.

There was also a side-problem of legal highs, e.g. 'spice', these really tipping people over the edge into psychosis.

The adulterated weed was soon rejected by the customers and even stronger 'high grade' weed began to be what was available.

By now the older sticky resin type of weed that your grandfather smoked whilst listening to The Beatles and wearing tie-dye clothing was no longer available. We had gone from 'shandy' to 'absinthe', a different beast.

Also to note is that the government is nowadays Conservative so there is nobody in power wanting to enable people to enjoy the finer grades of weed - just ban it is the attitude. People who do smoke the stuff do end up with ideas above their station and you can't have that.

Often the word 'psychosis' was used to describe the kids that worried their parents by smoking too much of the stuff. 'Paranoid' was also an oft-used word. Sure the more modern weeds are a lot more intoxicating than the cannabis resin that went around in the olden days but it is always easier to blame the coping strategy rather than the root problem, e.g. the difficulty of being a teenager in modern Britain.

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