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Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by monksy »

bregma wrote: post #9
dep_b wrote: post #4

> Schneider said the legislation was likely to include a ban on non-residents buying cannabis in order to dissuade drug-tourism. Given the fact they're sharing a border with France: probably a good idea.

Canada shares a border with the USA (where persecution of cannabis use is a billion-dollar profitable industry) and has made no effort to dissuide cannabis tourism. On the contrary: we welcome it it open doors.

> we welcome it it open doors.

In general, they're not really a completely open border. They're pretty strict about who they let in. They'll check into your US 'criminal record' and make judgements based on that. (A bit of an overeach.. but a bit weird if you have a DUI and they reject you [that's their policy])

I'm not sure why they get a complete pass to claim that they're the good guys when the US isn't as picky. (Yes, the US is a PITA to travel to)

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by lm28469 »

futureastronaut wrote: post #91
lm28469 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On an ecological level tourism is a bad thing yes. Now maybe it'd be good for the economy or whatever but I don't think making $ should be the priority. Plus Luxembourg isn't really in need of money.

That really depends on your definition of tourism...

Do you have a definition of tourism that doesn't imply travelling ?

The only point of comparison I have is amsterdam and people are definitely flying/road tripping there for short "drug vacations" (I genuinely think everyone I know has been there at least once for that purpose), which in my book is not so good for the environment and a more than debatable reason to fly/drive hundreds of kms.

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by rjldev »

bregma wrote: post #76
adrianN wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poor minority folks leading organized crime.

I walk into a cannabis store near me and see young white people behind the counter, and I know the license holder is a wealthy white person (because it's public record). I know the company running the government website where I can buy online is owned and run by a bunch of rich white men (because it's a public company) and most its employees are well-educated, well-to-do white men because I know many of them personal…

> It's the dealers on the street who suffer the most from the legalization of the recreational cannabis trade.

Good.

Nothing is stopping non white people from opening legal dispensaries. Don’t be so racist, maybe smoke some weed and chill out?

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by MrsPeaches »

hansjorg wrote: post #53
Scoundreller wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t that Oktoberfest?

Alcohol's not a drug, it's a drink.

For those of you who may not know the reference it’s from Chris Morris’s Brass Eye

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MIAJemmO-bg

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by dajohnson89 »

d--b wrote: post #100

The article says it's not technically legal in the Netherlands but tolerated. But the technicality doesn't matter. As an experiment, cannabis legalization happened in a much bigger European country than Luxembourg 20 years ago...

Technicality very much matters. The legality is a reason for them to put you in jail, if they wanted to do so.

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by mettamage »

pmoriarty wrote: post #74
mettamage wrote: post #43

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No it's not. It's illegal by law [1, 2] (Dutch sources). The supply chain is definitely still illegal. In short you have (making these terms up): 1. Growers who produce and distribute the weed, 2. Runners who pick it up and bring it to the coffeeshop, 3. Coffeeshops It's only legal for the coffeeshops to sell. This sometimes devolves to a game like tag. The runners need to go as fast to the coffeeshop as possible in…

"The runners need to go as fast to the coffeeshop as possible in the most stealthy way. If the police catch them, then they are in trouble. However, if they bring it into the coffeeshop, they are safe." Is that really true? If the police wanted to, all they'd have to do is search any courier who comes in to the shop, or use video surveillance inside or outside the shop. There are infinite ways to try to crack down on…

Well, I'm playing the game of telephone here (aka too far removed from it), so take it with a grain of salt.

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by Tharkun »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #105
d--b wrote: post #100

The article says it's not technically legal in the Netherlands but tolerated. But the technicality doesn't matter. As an experiment, cannabis legalization happened in a much bigger European country than Luxembourg 20 years ago...

Technicality very much matters. The legality is a reason for them to put you in jail, if they wanted to do so.

Indeed. And while it may have been sort of decriminalized, it is very much actively prohibited in many border towns to reduce drug tourism.

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by teknopaul »

smcl wrote: post #57
emptyfile wrote: post #26

Bravo, and here's hoping that other countries follow. I was recently shocked to discover that my backwards eastern european country is one of the few in the EU that has even decriminalized drugs; I genuinely thought that this was standard in the EU but apparently not, see this map https://i.imgur.com/A0JICkk.jpg

It's funny how these things turn our expectations upside-down. I'm from the UK originally and they semi-recently (~10 years ago) upgraded the severity with which they treat cannabis so that it's now "Class B". This means that mere possession can result in "Up to 5 years in prison, an unlimited fine or both" (more @ https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing ). So yeah, your country might not be so backwards…

Or the UK is backwards.

Re: Luxembourg to be first European country to legalise cannabis

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Post by refurb »

TelmoMenezes wrote: post #94
wincy wrote: post #87

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Also some large companies will fire you if you test positive for it even if you work in a state where it’s legal.

The land of the free: now with mandatory drugs testing at work.

Many of those jobs requiring testing for safety reasons (but not all).

Are you suggesting the US isn't the land of the free because people aren't free to come to work intoxicated and potentially endanger their colleagues?

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