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Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

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Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#81

I'm still dreaming of a search engine that parses regular expressions. When that happens I'm there. Yesterday.

I know this isn't exactly what you meant... http://thor.duckduckgo.com/?q=regexp+/(.*)/+ddg

Edit: Looks like yc cut off my link there--copy and paste the full thing.

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#82

I'm still dreaming of a search engine that parses regular expressions. When that happens I'm there. Yesterday.

I know this isn't exactly what you meant... http://thor.duckduckgo.com/?q=regexp+/ (.*)/+ddg Edit: Looks like yc cut off my link there--copy and paste the full thing.

I'll remember that. Thanks!

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#83

I'm still dreaming of a search engine that parses regular expressions. When that happens I'm there. Yesterday.

It would be an interesting day if someone could make regular expression searches over a large data set as fast as keyword or phrase searches against a sorted and indexed database.

They also need to make sure they use an implementation that doesn't suffer from exponential time[1] regular expressions.

[1] - http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#84

I seriously do not get this privacy sham. All of a sudden everybody and there uncle is very concious about some algorithms (that select the ad for you) knowing what they searched for. I mean even if I search for something inappropriate and then google ads algorithm knows what I searched for, big deal yaar whats the harm? I presume referrer headers existed even before google and this privacy outrage. The thing I do no…

I don't think it's "all of a sudden," rather that as the web continues to grow up, more and more people are becoming aware that what they do or say on the web isn't as private as they might once have thought. As an aside, I think it first really clicked for me a few years back with the whole Netflix Prize situation, where even though the data was anonymized, smarter folks than I were able to demonstrate how you could personally identify a subscriber's profile from it.

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If SSL was the default and sending headers was opt-in, it would probably add some weight to your argument. What Google actively promotes to the typical web user, however, is not SSL or anonymous search but rather features that collect user data to an ever greater degree, e.g. Toolbar, Instant Search, and the Chrome browser.

SSL adds latency, because you're setting up an encrypted connection. Google hates slowing down users, and we don't want to slow down every user unless it's a clear win. That's one reason. When Google switched to AJAX-based search, that temporarily stopped sending referrers, and lots of people screamed bloody murder. For example, http://getclicky.com/blog/150/googles-new-ajax-powered-searc... said "So what can we do a…

I think moving to SSL as a default is a good move. What difference does no logging on the receiving end make when your ISP can log everything you search for?

In particular, GMail initially had SSL configurable, but then moved it to the default: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/default-https-access-f... . Apparently they don’t think the latency is a problem—or if they do, that it’s worth it to get the security benefits of HTTPS.

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#86
Kudos to DDG. Finally a good alternative to the big G.

What scares me the most sometimes is when I think about how ubiquitous Google's ads network and analytics network are. Most of the websites I visit use AdSense and/or Google Analytics. Some are using Google's copy of popular javascript libraries like jQuery. This means that when you are moving from site A to site B to site C, there is a good chance that even though A or B or C does not know about it, Google knows your full browsing path and even how you move from one to another. I am not saying that Google is actually doing it, but it is scary someone has the capability to do it and to know more about you than the government and your mother do. It is important a significant portion of the website and our browsing activities are outside of Google's networks.

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#87

The first sentence when I stripped out the pictures was "When you search Google, and click on a link, your search term is sent to that site, along with your browser & computer info, which can often uniquely identify you." Referrers are a part of the way the web has worked since before Google existed. They're a browser-level feature more than something related to specific websites. But if referrers bother you, just us…

Clicking on a link in a Google search results page creates a redirect URL that leads back to Google itself and logs the visit to your Google Web History if you are logged in. Its not a simple matter of referrals to third party websites. Its a personal detailed silo of personal information that Google sits on and can only stay private as long as Google can make good on its promise to.

DuckDuckGo, AFAIK doesn't log your searches or correlate your searches with a user account.

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The referrer header is indeed a reality of HTTP, but that doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't work around that reality and correct for it, if it has real privacy implications, which I think it definitely does. By getting rid of that header I think we take away a lot of private context, i.e. the actual search terms that landed you on that page, which in and of themselves can provide a lot of background into what was p…

Yup, that was the same day we announced SSL search, which prevents referrers to http sites. I don't begrudge you trying to make privacy a selling point for DDG, but donttrack.us felt like trying to paint Google with a pretty broad brush. Honestly, it reminded me of when Privacy International decided to give Google a worse privacy rating than any other company. Here's how I responded to Privacy International at the ti…

Supporting privacy is one thing and I'm appreciative of Google's stance. But when we're talking about personally identifiable information we're talking about a binary. Either you're personally identifiable from the data being stored or you're not. The bottom line is that I'm identifiable with the data stored on me by Google but not by the data stored on me by DDG. Google has made this decision to store identifiable information in order to improve the usability of their search and DDG has opted for a different route.

I will point out that there is nothing wrong with that. Google is not for those with strong privacy requirements, just as all popular operating systems are not for those with strong security requirements. Google falls at one point on the privacy/usability continuum and DDG falls at another point. But as far as the article being unfair to Google goes, I'll have to disagree. You are identifiable with Google's data and that's a reality.

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#89

Kudos to DDG. Finally a good alternative to the big G. What scares me the most sometimes is when I think about how ubiquitous Google's ads network and analytics network are. Most of the websites I visit use AdSense and/or Google Analytics. Some are using Google's copy of popular javascript libraries like jQuery. This means that when you are moving from site A to site B to site C, there is a good chance that even thou…

Enter, Google Alarm: http://fffff.at/google-alarm/

Re: Google tracks you. We don't. An illustrated guide

#90

I seriously do not get this privacy sham. All of a sudden everybody and there uncle is very concious about some algorithms (that select the ad for you) knowing what they searched for. I mean even if I search for something inappropriate and then google ads algorithm knows what I searched for, big deal yaar whats the harm? I presume referrer headers existed even before google and this privacy outrage. The thing I do no…

This isn't just a matter of advertising. Your search history is an incredibly personal and detailed profile of who you are, and governments have a history of trying to use that sort of information for $badThings. See: US DOJ request for search engine histories in 2005. There's a reason why librarians fought so hard to keep your book checkouts private when the Patriot Act passed. Search histories have a potential for abuse and their privacy should be an issue.
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