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AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by ken47 »

mbell wrote: post #3

This should be interesting to watch. The new Ryzen CPUs are good, but the desktop market is a rather small portion of the overall CPU market which is dominated by server and laptop. AMD making inroads in the server space is where they _may_ actually be able to eat up some meaningful market share. That said, I wouldn't count the chickens before they've hatched here. AMD did this once before with opteron in ~2006. For…

This is different than the Opteron days. Today, AMD's offering is substantially cheaper than Intel, both on an absolute and performance-adjusted basis. AMD is now ascending at a time when Intel is plagued by a never-ending stream of embarrassing security flaws, and the market has grown sick of its monopolistic exploitation of its customers. Furthermore, AMD has already designed the next generation chip!

AMD could have clearly charged more for these EPYC Rome chips, but they priced low for a reason -- to grab as much market share as humanly possible as quickly as possible, and I believe they will do so.

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by gwicks56 »

snazz wrote: post #27
chubbyrabbit wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't buy a Ryzen 3900X without paying substantially inflated ebay prices. I'm experiencing the opposite. There has been so many deals on 3900X that I have to constantly tell myself I don't need an upgrade.

Same here. Find nearest Micro Center, see wonderful deal, spend more than you came in looking to spend, repeat. Unless you don’t have any kind of physical computer store near you, I don’t see why buying it on eBay would be useful.

Damn, I have been desperately trying to get one since launch. Think the USA is getting them all, and the rest of the world is getting screwed. I paid on launch day, my store is getting 2 3900x's this month, they have 78 people who have paid in full and are waiting.

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by aeleos »

> "We designed this part to compete with Ice Lake, expecting to make some headway on single threaded performance. We did not expect to be facing re-warmed Skylake instead. This is going to be one of the highlights of our careers"

Looks like AMD expected Intel would actually start to fight back a few years ago when AMD started the Zen and Rome cores, and AMD has been running full steam ahead since then. Meanwhile, in reality, Intel dropped the ball and was too slow to react, and now AMD has basically leapfrogged them. What a time to be alive.

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by mktmkr »

aeleos wrote: post #33

> "We designed this part to compete with Ice Lake, expecting to make some headway on single threaded performance. We did not expect to be facing re-warmed Skylake instead. This is going to be one of the highlights of our careers" Looks like AMD expected Intel would actually start to fight back a few years ago when AMD started the Zen and Rome cores, and AMD has been running full steam ahead since then. Meanwhile, in…

In the “what a time to be alive” category, this is essentially a repeat of Opteron.

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by lettergram »

zwaps wrote: post #26
mroche wrote: post #18

Further benchmarks on Phoronix of the 7502/7742: https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=28142

wow, I don't think I have ever seen such a dominant benchmark victory across the board... for 40% less dollars.

At the end of the Phoronix review, you'll find that performance per dollar is 4x - 8x better with AMD. Assuming Intel slashes prices, I still dont' know if they can match it.

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by ummonk »

DuskStar wrote: post #2

> For those with little time: at the high end with socketed x86 CPUs, AMD offers you up to 50 to 100% higher performance while offering at a 40% lower price. Unless you go for the low end server CPUs, there is no contest: AMD offers much better performance for a much lower price than Intel, with more memory channels and over 2x the number of PCIe lanes. These are also PCIe 4.0 lanes. What if you want to more than 2 T…

Does price matter though? I would imagine power consumption is a much bigger deal.

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by wyldfire »

gwicks56 wrote: post #32
snazz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. Find nearest Micro Center, see wonderful deal, spend more than you came in looking to spend, repeat. Unless you don’t have any kind of physical computer store near you, I don’t see why buying it on eBay would be useful.

Damn, I have been desperately trying to get one since launch. Think the USA is getting them all, and the rest of the world is getting screwed. I paid on launch day, my store is getting 2 3900x's this month, they have 78 people who have paid in full and are waiting.

Arbitrage to the rescue?

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by bobdole12345 »

snazz wrote: post #12
DuskStar wrote: post #2

> For those with little time: at the high end with socketed x86 CPUs, AMD offers you up to 50 to 100% higher performance while offering at a 40% lower price. Unless you go for the low end server CPUs, there is no contest: AMD offers much better performance for a much lower price than Intel, with more memory channels and over 2x the number of PCIe lanes. These are also PCIe 4.0 lanes. What if you want to more than 2 T…

I'll be interested to see how long it will be before this devastates Intel's business. At the moment, there's literally no reason to buy an Intel desktop or server processor, so how many of the Intel purchases coming from OEMs and big cloud companies are just because of contracts that might let up in a few years?

Well, other than the unbroken history of AMD managing to fail when ahead.

Intel is a juggernaut because even if it's not shipping the best, it's always shipping something on time, every time.

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by ken47 »

devonkim wrote: post #23
snazz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be interested to see how long it will be before this devastates Intel's business. At the moment, there's literally no reason to buy an Intel desktop or server processor, so how many of the Intel purchases coming from OEMs and big cloud companies are just because of contracts that might let up in a few years?

Come on, "literally no reason"? Maybe because AMD can't keep up with demand for their new CPUs. I can't buy a Ryzen 3900X without paying substantially inflated ebay prices, the BIOS issues out of the gate are super annoying, and all of these factors are not necessarily technical or performance factors but the fact is that I can get a 9900K right now with mature UEFI firmware on them from reputable motherboard manufac…

AMD is literally facing unprecedented demand. There's no hype here. This is the real thing. Shortages are to be expected, but you can assume that AMD is smart enough to route their production such that they get the highest return -- e.g. to recurring enterprise customers.

Re: AMD Rome Second Generation EPYC Review: 2x 64-core Benchmarked

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Post by ken47 »

chx wrote: post #17
snazz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be interested to see how long it will be before this devastates Intel's business. At the moment, there's literally no reason to buy an Intel desktop or server processor, so how many of the Intel purchases coming from OEMs and big cloud companies are just because of contracts that might let up in a few years?

There's a very slight advantage of Intel CPUs in non-GPU constrained games (which means more or less 1080p only...). Very slight. Price/performance falls on Ryzen 3 so hard it's foolish to get an Intel for sure. There's no business reason on desktop or server for Intel for sure but there's so much inertia here which AMD needs to counter, it'll take years. Intel is down on the floor until 2021-2022 when their 7nm (whi…

Disagree. Why would it take years to counter this "inertia?" It's not like you're asking someone to give up a religion they've had from birth. They are being asked to make economic purchasing decisions, and the economics are crystal clear.
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