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Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

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This is good advice, but > they are probably used to read a chapter or two on a daily basis This sounds mental. Reading the Bible on a daily basis? I’m pretty sure that this is not the norm for the vast majority of (devout) Christians (at least in Western/Central Europe).

It's called a "quiet time". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Time

Or family worship among us stodgier Protestants. It also includes a family praying together and singing psalms and/or hymns.

Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

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post #54

> Evening learning probably isn’t ideal for teenagers either. In a study published in 2012, Johannes Holz at the University of Freiberg, and colleagues, found that 16- and 17-year-old girls performed better on tests of factual memory if they’d learned the material at 3pm than at 9pm. > However, another study, published in Psychological Science in 2016, suggests that evening learning can be beneficial – especially if…

Also why bother with microoptimizations? Just sound like easy ways to justify excuses — “Welp my 3pm window passed, maybe tomorrow!” The best method is the one you actually do.

> The best method is the one you actually do.

Doesn't apply to languages. I studied French for years "actually doing it" but using a typical traditional methodology with teachers, grammar, forced word repetitions, etc. It's like it didn't even happen. But using a very different methodology for English took me just about six months to go from understanding nothing to understanding almost everything.

Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

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I think he means it's mental to imagine Christians actually doing that. I agree. No judgement in if you do that, good for you. However the point is not that it's too much reading or w/e, but rather that it's far more than the typical christian cares to do. To assume christians actually do that is the mental part, but you choosing to do; if that makes sense. edit : To the downvote, do you honestly think the majority o…

Not a downvoter, but you're probably being downvoted because it's clear that "mental" IS being used to mean "crazy", and quite obviously so.

I mean, imo he very clearly meant the frequency was mental; I guess I just interpret his reply to someone saying that Christians read that frequently as mental, rather than it being mental itself to read that frequently.

Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

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I think he means it's mental to imagine Christians actually doing that. I agree. No judgement in if you do that, good for you. However the point is not that it's too much reading or w/e, but rather that it's far more than the typical christian cares to do. To assume christians actually do that is the mental part, but you choosing to do; if that makes sense. edit : To the downvote, do you honestly think the majority o…

Of that 70% is a large chunk who never even attend church, who claim to be Christian for reasons unclear to anyone. It turns out about 27% of Americans[0] read their Bible several times per week, with more than half of those reading it daily. [0] https://www.barna.com/research/state-of-the-bible-2018-seven...

TBH I'm actually impressed it's even that high. I'd speculate that the 27% (if self reported) ~~is~~ would be far lower if consistency over a period of time was checked. Regardless, I feel the need to reinforce, this is just human nature, not a comment against christians.

Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

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Also why bother with microoptimizations? Just sound like easy ways to justify excuses — “Welp my 3pm window passed, maybe tomorrow!” The best method is the one you actually do.

> The best method is the one you actually do. Doesn't apply to languages. I studied French for years "actually doing it" but using a typical traditional methodology with teachers, grammar, forced word repetitions, etc. It's like it didn't even happen. But using a very different methodology for English took me just about six months to go from understanding nothing to understanding almost everything.

What different methodology did you use?

Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

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post #87

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There is a learning method called Spaced Repetition, which involves repeatedly quizzing yourself, with a decreasing frequency as you learn them. So, if you always know the word for dog, you'll get that one less frequently than the one for cat that you have more trouble remembering.

I use Anki with Yomichan to study Japanese and find it very effective.

I built an iOS app for studying Japanese called Manabi Reader. It collects interesting short-form reading materials, has one-tap dictionary lookups, and lets you add words to flashcards.

I'm currently working on extending it with word tracking functionality, so that you can see which words in an article are new to you, can track your progress through kanji by reading, etc.

https://reader.manabi.io

Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

#108

Immersion still remains the best method. I've tried a plethora of approaches to learn German (not the easiest or most fancy and I swear I'm not masochist) and it's not working. The biggest progress I made came when I was forced to speak it with my gym buddy because that was our common denominator. That said, if you want to learn German, avoid Berlin. Everyone will meet you with English.

I agree, but with some effort you can (mostly) self immerse. Switch all devices to that language, watch media in only that language, make yourself write in that language, find people to speak to in that language.

Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

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post #84

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This makes sense. The act of recalling it is what cements your 'knowledge' of it, and repeating that recollection makes it easier to draw that connection each time.

It's not really how we learn new things. We see, hear, experience them in context many times, not force ourselves to recall them. Forced repetition is one of the worst most inefficient approaches to language learning.

From my experience, spaced repetition is only really useful as a trigger to recall prior meaningful experiences. The really tricky part of using spaced repetition well is writing the cards: you need to work with new material until it feels obvious, and only then make cards that will recall that experience of it being obvious.

For language learning, there’s one other wrinkle: you need to be working with material written in the target language, rather than written about the target language. Most of my language cards are Cloze deletions from novels I’ve read or museum captions, for instance.

Re: Unusual, evidence-based ways to get better at a new language

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Also why bother with microoptimizations? Just sound like easy ways to justify excuses — “Welp my 3pm window passed, maybe tomorrow!” The best method is the one you actually do.

> The best method is the one you actually do. Doesn't apply to languages. I studied French for years "actually doing it" but using a typical traditional methodology with teachers, grammar, forced word repetitions, etc. It's like it didn't even happen. But using a very different methodology for English took me just about six months to go from understanding nothing to understanding almost everything.

Can you expand on your "very different methodology"?
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