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Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by read_if_gay_ » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 11:30 AM UTC

esoterica wrote: post #478

s9w wrote: post #335

So the campaigns against free speech show results. The wheels are in motion, the dominoes are falling. Funny how here on HN the use of the term "free speech absolutists"/"free speech absolutism" has absolutely skyrocketed for example. So are these the last days of the internet? 4chan is still there, voat too (although barely) - but I don't know how much longer. 100% legal sites are taken offline for absolutely no rea…

If you support free speech so much then you should respect Cloudflare’s right to exercise their free speech right to decide what content they want to serve on their privately owned servers. The idea that the government should force companies to host extremist content against their will is anti-free speech, not pro-free speech. It’s equivalent to forcing people to put up political yard signs on their lawn without thei…

If you support private companies’ freedom so much then you should allow Internet providers to choose which sites you have to pay extra for to visit.

The idea that the government should force companies to adhere to net neutrality against their will is anti-freedom, not pro-freedom.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by read_if_gay_ » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 11:59 AM UTC

dominostars wrote: post #880

kaolti wrote: post #435

We're constantly denying our responsibility to manage our emotions and giving it away to others, so that they can protect us from ever seeing anything that might upset us. Some people seem to think that there are authorities we can trust to enforce the lines we draw in the sand on what is acceptable speech and what isn't. There is no such authority. People abuse authority because they can and guess what. When you'll…

8Chan isn't being targeted because they hurt people's feelings, they're targeted for being a breeding ground for terrorists. Feel free to make whatever argument you want about whether platforms should be forced to provide service to websites that radicalize terrorists, but please don't make this about something it's not.

> please don't make this about something it's not.

No, you are. How do you think 8ch manages to be a breeding ground for terrorists? By kidnapping people and sending them off to terrorist training camps?

Obviously their method is emotional manipulation. That includes hurting people’s feelings. Censoring speech to protect people from that is a piss poor long term strategy compared to equipping them to properly deal with it. Society will end up as a bunch of babies unable to deal with reality.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by read_if_gay_ » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 12:07 PM UTC

LargeWu wrote: post #817

AimForTheBushes wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Give an inch give a mile" It's the ability to chip away at free speech. First 8chan, then something else that's bad, then something slightly intolerant, then what? Is it really worth censoring when something else will pop up to take it's place? Monitor and move on.

I see you have invoked the Slippery Slope fallacy, which is primarily a way to sidestep talking about the actual issue at hand by comparing it to hypothetical events. What's not hypothetical is that scores of people are dying in the meantime. Furthermore, the First Amendment was designed by the founders as a way to protect citizens who criticized the government. I find it unbelievable that they themselves would suppo…

> What's not hypothetical is that scores of people are dying in the meantime.

What’s hypothetical is that banning 8ch will do anything about that.

> Furthermore, the First Amendment was designed by the founders as a way to protect citizens who criticized the government. I find it unbelievable that they themselves would support extending those protections towards people who would seek to explicitly provoke mass, random violence.

Another thing that’s hypothetical.

> I still haven't heard a good reason why forums that are havens for users openly and explicitly encouraging terroristic acts should not bear any responsibility, beyond lazy slippery slope arguments.

Considering you’re just dismissing the presented argument as a fallacy, it’s surprising that your own argument contains so little substance. Or is it?

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by whenchamenia » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

JulianMorrison wrote: post #932

mikedilger wrote: post #891

According to Andrew Torba of Gab (I cannot speak to the veracity of this myself): "As predicted in our statement to Buzzfeed: 8chan is indeed online. It's on ZeroNet, a decentralized and open source peer-to-peer version of the internet. It literally can not be censored now. By anyone. At all. Not admins. Not governments. No one. This isn't as good as it sounds. It means no illegal content can be permanently removed,…

The way to remove those things is to arrest the operators and demand they hand over access to the hosting, and shut it down and prosecute them.

The whole issue is that no laws have been broken. How and why would we arrest innovent citizens?

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by whenchamenia » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 2:08 PM UTC

inscionent wrote: post #722

disease wrote: post #241

I realize this may not be the best place to talk about it, but is there some good explanation for what seems to be a totally insatiable thirst for white supremacy in America these days? It seems to me like this is the real story here and, for the most part, it is not being covered in any real sense by either liberal, conservative or independent media.

The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks hate groups in the US and is a good source of information. https://www.splcenter.org/issues/hate-and-extremism

Splc thinks juggalos are a hate group, id not suggest that source.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by whenchamenia » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 2:11 PM UTC

njharman wrote: post #844

1st amendment issue. As in persons, including those that own companies have the right to associate or not associate(1) with whomever they choose. As upheld in USA with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Alabama 1) The " not associate" is not clearly as protected and is frequently abridged to protect "protected classes" eg housing, employment, ADA laws. I doubt any US court will uphold "bigot" as a protected class…

Idk, denying rights to 'bigots' seems possibly bigoted. Please turn in your speech card.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by kaolti » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #992

dominostars wrote: post #880

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8Chan isn't being targeted because they hurt people's feelings, they're targeted for being a breeding ground for terrorists. Feel free to make whatever argument you want about whether platforms should be forced to provide service to websites that radicalize terrorists, but please don't make this about something it's not.

> please don't make this about something it's not. No, you are. How do you think 8ch manages to be a breeding ground for terrorists? By kidnapping people and sending them off to terrorist training camps? Obviously their method is emotional manipulation. That includes hurting people’s feelings. Censoring speech to protect people from that is a piss poor long term strategy compared to equipping them to properly deal wi…

Agree. We're well on our way to be honest. Might be no way of stopping it. It'll just swing around on it's own in a few hundred years.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by Data_Junkie » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 1:45 AM UTC

tepidandroid wrote: post #139

My opinion is that freedom of speech is a fine ideal to strive for, but it relies on having a stable society with some minimum level of education (moral and philosophical too, not just the technical kind). It requires people who are able to fully parse the implications of what they are hearing to make sound and rational judgements on the rejection of an idea or the embrace of it. It creates a moral duty for the peopl…

Ok to make a lighter, not ok to make bombs.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by Fjolsvith » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 3:44 AM UTC

So curious that out of 1592 comments, not one mentions the QAnon movement. This is the true reason 8chan was brought down. An attempt to disrupt their communications.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by Pigo » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 1:00 PM UTC

messick wrote: post #874

Pigo wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an extremely narrow view of a nuanced issue. We have divisive cultural issues, a severe mental health problem, an opiate addiction problem, and problems with access to guns in some areas. We also have a huge country. We also have a huge country, taking away guns from people in Alaska will solve nothing. How's the knife banning in London going btw?

It's going great. Stabbing deaths in London in 2018 were just over 3 "El Pasos". It's less than 3X if you change the metric to "2019 mass shootings posted to 8chan ahead of time". I'm sorry that Fox News has led you so astray, but the whole "actually everyone in London gets stabbed because they don't have guns" narrative is horseshit.

You guys should really get on top of that pointy stick situation now.

Fox News???