Too bad Microsoft chose to name their solution "WSL". If they'd have named it Line ( Line Is Not an Emulator or LINux Emulator ) then we could have called this Wine onLine!
+1 for LINE as in Line Is Not (an) Emulator
Wine on Windows 10
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Re: Wine on Windows 10
#92Re: Wine on Windows 10
#93This can be very helpful in the future for playing games with strange 16-bit-mixed-with-32-bit installers that fail to run properly on modern Windows, even 32-bit versions. I hope WSL2 comes out soon. Now that installing wine in Linux on windows is possible, the next step becomes clear. We must compile and run cygwin on wine in Linux on Windows.
This project is only completed when you can recursively keep doing this forever, without it ever breaking.
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Re: Wine on Windows 10
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
MS is already running a similar system to translate 32-bit applications to 64-bit mode (WOW64). Keeping compatibility with 16-bit would have big consequences for the NTVDM. The alternative would be to run NTVDM on top of WOW64 but such a system would be a recipe for disaster. I don't think the compatibility with 16-bit systems is worth the headache/expense. As long as 32-bit Windows exists, you can still run the few…
>I doubt anyone is missing much aside from a few nostalgic gamers. There's tons of 16-bit SCADA stuff in the world that it would be nice to not have to run on a ~20yo version of windows.
I hope those scada systems aren't running on regular Windows. If they are, they should be running on Win10 LTSB on 32-bit so they should keep working till at least 2025 if XP's level of compatibility was good enough to run them.
If they can't be run on that, there's still MS-DOS licenses being sold and FreeDOS might also serve them in a pinch. If a system is not maintained for long enough that it's still running in compatibility mode, you might ask well just disconnect the network cable and run Windows 3.11/95/98. Microsoft is not at fault for the manufacturer not maintaining their systems.
Re: Wine on Windows 10
#95I'm searching for a short TL;DR for the question: WHY?
Why should anyone do that? The only reason I see is possibly to use win 98, 2000, XP, ... programs under win 10.
Re: Wine on Windows 10
#96Re: Wine on Windows 10
#97Too bad Microsoft chose to name their solution "WSL". If they'd have named it Line ( Line Is Not an Emulator or LINux Emulator ) then we could have called this Wine onLine!
The original was called SFU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX
Too bad they didnt call it Windows Services Toolkit for Unix.
Re: Wine on Windows 10
#98This can be very helpful in the future for playing games with strange 16-bit-mixed-with-32-bit installers that fail to run properly on modern Windows, even 32-bit versions. I hope WSL2 comes out soon. Now that installing wine in Linux on windows is possible, the next step becomes clear. We must compile and run cygwin on wine in Linux on Windows.
You can already do that with OTVDM: https://github.com/otya128/winevdm Using it not only any 16bit installer works, but also most 16bit applications. As an example you can play Exile by Spiderweb[2] on your Windows 64 PC. It even contains a .reg file that allows it to be installed system-wide so that you can run a 16bit .exe just by double clicking it in Explorer (or any other file manager). [1] https://github.com/ot…
> As an example you can play Exile by Spiderweb[2] on your Windows 64 PC.
How is this of all things the go-to example?
It's exactly what I want to do! Were these games more popular than I thought?
Re: Wine on Windows 10
#99So with this I think we need to set the bar higher. How does this sound: running Mac on Linux on Windows on a Mac?
Re: Wine on Windows 10
#100I'm searching for a short TL;DR for the question: WHY? Why should anyone do that? The only reason I see is possibly to use win 98, 2000, XP, ... programs under win 10.
Yep. The easiest way to get some older games working on Windows 10 is already to copy the Wine version of DLL files they rely on into the game directory; this just goes all the way.