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Re: Wine on Windows 10

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSL is not a VM. The upcoming WSL2 might be, though.

I'm pretty sure WSL2 is going to use a user mode kernel

The WSL2 install command is ( https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/wsl2-install )

    Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature -Online -FeatureName VirtualMachinePlatform
which suggests it's a virtual machine.

Re: Wine on Windows 10

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post #22

The funniest thing would be Microsoft hiring Wine developers to make programs written for old Windows run on newer versions of it.

No, the funniest thing would Microsoft making Windows 11 a Linux distro with a custom version of WINE running ontop of it so that they need to maintain way fewer parts of their operating system themselves.

No, the funniest thing would be Microsoft open sourcing Windows 10 and replacing Linux by a kernel-mode compatible WSL 3.

Re: Wine on Windows 10

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Hilarious. Props to author for not trying to give a reasonable looking motivation for this beyond "It would be funny". That's more than enough.

But there is a reasonable motivation. Some old games and some other software often don't run well on modern Windows (or sometimes at all). It can be possible to patch them to work but not always and even this relies on motivated and talented fans.

OP here: you and I both know that's an excuse, and the actual reason is "because we can and shouldn't"

Re: Wine on Windows 10

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I feel like it would be useful to add "(using WSL)" to the title. I admit I would not have opened the link though, had the title spoiled this part of the story, and the article is funny to read. > Running Wine on Windows has been a fever dream of those responding to the siren call of "we do what we must, because we shouldn't" since at least 2004, when someone tried compiling Wine in Cygwin and trashed the registry of…

WSL is part of Windows 10, so I didn't feel the title was leaving out something important.

Re: Wine on Windows 10

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post #22

The funniest thing would be Microsoft hiring Wine developers to make programs written for old Windows run on newer versions of it.

No, the funniest thing would Microsoft making Windows 11 a Linux distro with a custom version of WINE running ontop of it so that they need to maintain way fewer parts of their operating system themselves.

anticipated in 2005 https://www.wired.com/2005/02/microsoft-5/

Re: Wine on Windows 10

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post #39
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WSL2 is in beta now if anyone on HN feels like getting 32 bit apps to work.

Am I correct in thinking WSL2 needs Hyper-V to be enabled? What's the advantage of it versus running Ubuntu in a VM and using putty?

It's only virtualising the kernel - not the entire OS, so in theory performance should be a lot better.

Re: Wine on Windows 10

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This can be very helpful in the future for playing games with strange 16-bit-mixed-with-32-bit installers that fail to run properly on modern Windows, even 32-bit versions. I hope WSL2 comes out soon. Now that installing wine in Linux on windows is possible, the next step becomes clear. We must compile and run cygwin on wine in Linux on Windows.

This project is only completed when you can recursively keep doing this forever, without it ever breaking.

We know how it would look like! Here is a nice illustration:

https://m.xkcd.com/1764/

Re: Wine on Windows 10

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any CPU can only have one hypervisor running at a time. Thus the recursion stops pretty quick.

Well, yes and no. On modern enough hardware you can do nested virtualisation, so you can run kvm in esxi on hyper-v if you want. Not that it's very usefull, but it is a fun weekend project nonetheless.

I use nested virtualization for Windows Desktop -> Linux VM -> minikube. Works great.

Obviously you could just run minikube under Windows, but then from the Linux VM you can't "minikube ssh" and whatnot, so nested virtualization makes everything a lot simpler.

Re: Wine on Windows 10

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post #36

This would be awesome...I have a bunch of old games that broke when I went to 64-bit Windows. Plus, VMware support for older OSes seems to be getting worse, so that's a less and less viable route.

Have you not tried VirtualBox instead? Never really had many issues with VB. Course it depends on what games too. Windows 10 does have compatability mode as well which can be useful.
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