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Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by reimertz »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I suggest people using https://mbasic.facebook.com.

Messages work, no JavaScript, less noise.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by eridius »

EGreg wrote: post #104
buildzr wrote: post #96

Am I reading this right? If WhatsApp and similar are no longer able to implement End-To-End crypto because they have to use an Apple API which supports only specific protocols, this is going to be a huge loss for users. I've considered switching to an iOS device, but stuff like this keeps me away, I'm very glad I can keep direct SIP, SSH, IMAP and XMPP connections open at all hours of the day.

Doesn’t he mention explicitly in the video that you can use standard notifications and decrypt the payload before showing them? How exactly do you deliver notifications in Android? Can background apps simply listen on an open websocket or something?? What exactly is your technique on android

I haven't watched the video, but Apple has a notifications API specifically for encrypted messaging apps to receive encrypted notifications and run a notification appex that decrypts the notification payload prior to showing the notification to the user.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by solarkraft »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

Their fake notifications alone are one reason to despise them.

And there's so much more.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by mschuster91 »

gambiting wrote: post #120
codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I constantly have 4 unread messages in FB messenger(as shown on the main FB page) even though there are none. It's been like this for months.

Check your spam folder, yes FB has something like this for messages.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by bgeeek »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I've noticed it for quite some time and thought exactly the same thing.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by zbrox »

smallbigfish wrote: post #83
buzzert wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it appalling? Can you be more specific?

That even today many European languages don't even have a basic dictionary. I'm not talking about the "guess the next word" feature. All I want is a dictionary that could suggest a correction to a misspelled word. Use two languages at once? No way! I guess they need to invent a new chip or something. Swipe to type? Hehe. The keyboard in itself is fast and good but it lacks features.

The state of auto-suggest and auto-correct for anything but English (or maybe French, German, not a speaker so I don't know) is appalling. Auto-suggest is either not even an option or if it is it takes you to type almost the full word before suggesting something sensible. The auto-correct is way worse though. It sometimes suggests corrections to a wrongly spelled word even on basics like pronouns and such. But also let's not forget iOS/macOS don't even have all languages of the EU (when speaking of Europe) available as a system language. For the world's largest tech company it's beyond me why can't they put a team of 1-2 people per language to take care of properly localizing their software.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by miracle2k »

shakna wrote: post #79
SeanBoocock wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any links with contemporaneous public messaging from Facebook about that? I am curious because the OP made a strong claim: that Facebook deliberately and specifically misled the public; and that there have been so many instances of this exposed that any journalist who fails to cite them is negligent.

Gizmodo [0] did the original reporting on what I've mentioned, based on the work of Alan Mislove amongst others. Facebook's official statement when 2FA numbers started being made available for other purposes was: > “We outline the information we receive and use for ads in our data policy, and give people control over their ads experience including custom audiences, via their ad preferences,” said a spokesperson by em…

But a general collection of potentially unethical or unseemly behavior is not the thing that we are looking for. The claim was that Facebook is known to engage in that behavior while then also lying about it when questioned.

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Post by dspillett »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #53
rosser wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's an attempt to get you to install messenger so much as it's a cheap tactic to drive engagement, generally. I do have Messenger installed on a device, and it also shows unread notifications for conversations where I sent the last message, a bit (I've never timed how long) after the message was sent. I assumed it was just some shitty dark pattern, that (enough) people are Pavlov-ing at unread notifica…

FWIW this has never happened to me. It also strikes me as suboptimal even as a "dark pattern": Clicking on conversations when you have the app open already, and not seeing new messages you expect, is frustrating without any conceivable payoff for Facebook. The pattern mentioned above–the app icon showing activity, which gets you to open the app–seems far more plausible.

I've seen in happen, particularly when switching between devices (there are times when this means I'm switching network completely, not just between devices on the same LAN) so I've assumed it is an artifact of "eventually consistency" between Facebook's many clusters and frontend nodes.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by andy_ppp »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

All these Apps now seem to do evil things to drive engagement; for example you get notifications via app icon, email, inside the app and via push notifications all at different times so for one message you might end up interacting 3+ times which can be highly irritating. It seems like buggy software but it’s actually just making you go back to your apps more often.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by andyhmltn »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I’ve noticed the same with their notifications. As of right now, I have 1 notification. I will open the menu and see there’s not actually anything there. The badge then goes away. Refresh the page and it’s there again despite not having any notifications
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