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Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by beagle3 »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #101
hart_russell wrote: post #2

+1 to Apple's track record for user privacy. I do not regret switching from Android to iOS (even if siri is woefully behind the voice assistant game)

I've also switched, after my 1 year old Samsung S8 brick phone dropped to the floor one time too often. I'm not only enjoying the privacy, but also the classic, non-phablet form factor of a brand new iPhone 6s in 2019 and hope it will last me longer. Compared to Samsung's, my typing speed is up, but it's true that autocomplete suggestions are useless.

Have been running my 6s since 2015 - alas, come iOS 13 we’ll likely have to upgrade the hardware or remain with unlatched critical known vulns.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by simonh »

medecau wrote: post #89
_bxg1 wrote: post #6

It's a shame that in today's world we have to choose between platforms that are open-ended and platforms whose software respects its users. But given that choice, I support this outcome.

It's very hard to provide both as abusive software (malware) tends to take advantage of the open-endedness of platformas to abuse the users.

It’s worse than that even. Open platforms that are popular get commoditised easily, which squeezes margins for vendors, increasing pressure to monetize by any means possible.

The race to the bottom does benefit customers in terms of prices, but there are real costs in terms of the quality and trustworthiness of the products. The cheapest products are most likely to be monetising in shady ways.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by tannhaeuser »

beagle3 wrote: post #111
tannhaeuser wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've also switched, after my 1 year old Samsung S8 brick phone dropped to the floor one time too often. I'm not only enjoying the privacy, but also the classic, non-phablet form factor of a brand new iPhone 6s in 2019 and hope it will last me longer. Compared to Samsung's, my typing speed is up, but it's true that autocomplete suggestions are useless.

Have been running my 6s since 2015 - alas, come iOS 13 we’ll likely have to upgrade the hardware or remain with unlatched critical known vulns.

Is it given that 6s won't receive iOS 13? I bought mine because it's the only one still having an audio jack for my car stereo, and the 7 and 8 add nothing for me, except the price. Though maybe it's telling Apple themselves don't sell the 6s anymore.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by KeytarHero »

daliusd wrote: post #94
codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I have messenger installed and I see the same. Honestly I think in this case it is only development team incompetence doing cache invalidation properly.

Yeah, this is my theory too. I use Tinfoil for Facebook on Android, and it shows I have 15 unread messages. Basically, every time I open Tinfoil while I have a new message I haven't read in Messenger, it increments, and that never gets cleared. If they were trying to drive engagement or to get you to install Messenger, why would they want the number to keep increasing well after you've caught onto the trick?

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by Lammy »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #113
beagle3 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have been running my 6s since 2015 - alas, come iOS 13 we’ll likely have to upgrade the hardware or remain with unlatched critical known vulns.

Is it given that 6s won't receive iOS 13? I bought mine because it's the only one still having an audio jack for my car stereo, and the 7 and 8 add nothing for me, except the price. Though maybe it's telling Apple themselves don't sell the 6s anymore.

iOS 13 drops support for iPhones with 1GB of RAM. 5s and 6/6+ are out. The 6S/6S+, the SE, and above are supported.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by djhn »

giovannibajo1 wrote: post #106
smallbigfish wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That even today many European languages don't even have a basic dictionary. I'm not talking about the "guess the next word" feature. All I want is a dictionary that could suggest a correction to a misspelled word. Use two languages at once? No way! I guess they need to invent a new chip or something. Swipe to type? Hehe. The keyboard in itself is fast and good but it lacks features.

Typing in two languages works since iOS 11 (IIRC). I’m routinely typing in either English or Italian without ever manually switching language

But only two languages are supported, with no easy way to type in three or change the character set of the keyboard, which one can do with one swipe on SwiftKey Android.

One of the main reasons, in addition to lack of dual-SIM, I realised switching to iOS simply wasn't worth it for me.

Having a private number for my SO, closest friends and select high-retainer-fee clients to reach me 24/7 while also having an easily discoverable public phone number for business hours increased my response time when it matters while simultaneously tuning out the noise and anxiety of being constantly connected.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by dep_b »

buildzr wrote: post #96

Am I reading this right? If WhatsApp and similar are no longer able to implement End-To-End crypto because they have to use an Apple API which supports only specific protocols, this is going to be a huge loss for users. I've considered switching to an iOS device, but stuff like this keeps me away, I'm very glad I can keep direct SIP, SSH, IMAP and XMPP connections open at all hours of the day.

Not being able to lurk in the background does not have anything to do with security. I don’t think Signal uses it and they’re generally considered secure. You can check out their source.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by dijit »

djhn wrote: post #116
giovannibajo1 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typing in two languages works since iOS 11 (IIRC). I’m routinely typing in either English or Italian without ever manually switching language

But only two languages are supported, with no easy way to type in three or change the character set of the keyboard, which one can do with one swipe on SwiftKey Android. One of the main reasons, in addition to lack of dual-SIM, I realised switching to iOS simply wasn't worth it for me. Having a private number for my SO, closest friends and select high-retainer-fee clients to reach me 24/7 while also having an easily…

On iOS you can switch the keyboard with the small “globe” key between the “123” button and the dictation button on the lower left hand side of the keyboard, it’s one key press- assuming you added the keyboard in settings.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by r3bl »

KeytarHero wrote: post #114
daliusd wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have messenger installed and I see the same. Honestly I think in this case it is only development team incompetence doing cache invalidation properly.

Yeah, this is my theory too. I use Tinfoil for Facebook on Android, and it shows I have 15 unread messages. Basically, every time I open Tinfoil while I have a new message I haven't read in Messenger, it increments, and that never gets cleared. If they were trying to drive engagement or to get you to install Messenger, why would they want the number to keep increasing well after you've caught onto the trick?

Did you add any friends lately? Do you know those "greetings" that Facebook pushes into Messenger whenever you add a new friend on Facebook?

I've recently noticed on my SO's phone that Messenger counts them as "unread messages", and the only way to clear them is to a) send that greeting, or b) clear them from a desktop.

In other words, they're getting pretty desperate to drive the engagements up, and this is something that probably wasn't implemented in third-party clients.

Note that this is different than a "message" on a mobile browser. Last time I've checked (admittedly, quite some time ago), there was one "message" that never gets cleared, regardless of what you do.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by gambiting »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I constantly have 4 unread messages in FB messenger(as shown on the main FB page) even though there are none. It's been like this for months.
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