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Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

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Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

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Some relevant context: laser pointers have been being used by HK protesters lately to interfere with facial recognition on security cameras

Some more context; they're not only used to interfere with facial recognition. They're also being used to annoy the police officers, as well as people who are watching from their windows when protestors pass by. I've had lasers pointed at me when I was just looking out of my window over the protests.

Is there a reason to lase random people looking out the window? Is it to shame you for not joining the protest, or because you could be a police or pro-China observer, etc.?

Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some more context; they're not only used to interfere with facial recognition. They're also being used to annoy the police officers, as well as people who are watching from their windows when protestors pass by. I've had lasers pointed at me when I was just looking out of my window over the protests.

Is there a reason to lase random people looking out the window? Is it to shame you for not joining the protest, or because you could be a police or pro-China observer, etc.?

I'm not sure what the reason is. There's a hotel across the street from me, and some people were looking out of the window, instantly they had 5 lasers pointed at them. Someone was pointing a laser at me too.

Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

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Mens rea alone isn't enough to be convicted of a crime, but the actus reus in this case sounds like possession rather than use. I don't know about HK laws on laser pointers but here in Australia there are restrictions on laser pointers - anything >1mW requires a permit in most states, without a permit you're liable for possession of a prohibited weapon whether or not you planned to use it. Even <1mW, you may be requi…

> I don't know about HK laws on laser pointers I think at this point you should be looking into China's laws on laser pointers, not Hong Kong's.

It's not at that point yet. PRC does have a garrison inside HK but they're sitting still. It's possible they could go in plain clothed to collect info and provocateur to discredit the protesters. It'd cause a pretty big meltdown if they were busted doing that.

Aside from that: HK has control over its statutes. https://www.elegislation.gov.hk/index/en/subject

Basic law (the part PRC plays a role) is the constitution. For an overview: https://www.basiclaw.gov.hk/en/facts/index.html

Aside, Here's a better article: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=210397

Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

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HK stands no chance tho.

No but it's really instructive to Taiwan, which is seriously up-armoring now. HK is doomed for sure, but Taiwan isn't.

I'm not sure that's true in the long term either, an invasion might not be possible, but what's to stop China bombing enough power plants and other infrastructure to send the country back to the stone age and invading after everything fallen apart? Even the bombing part they might not have to do directly, blaming it on some terrorist group.

Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

#45
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You try pointing a laser-pointer at a police officer around here and you will be lucky if you are just arrested.

> "Officers later searched his bag and found the pointers. Fong is heard saying he bought them for star-gazing." This is from the article. The pointers were in his bag. He didn't point at anyone. Your comment implied that he did, and that's factually incorrect.

From another article too: > Chief Inspector Chow Hok-yin from the organised crime and triad bureau said officers approached Fong because he was acting suspiciously, but he ran away. Officers chased and caught him, and found 10 torch-like laser pointers, each 18cm (7 inches) long, in his plastic bag.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/30...

Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

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HK stands no chance tho.

No but it's really instructive to Taiwan, which is seriously up-armoring now. HK is doomed for sure, but Taiwan isn't.

If HK falls, it's just a matter of time before Taiwan does.

Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

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Thought I'd agree with this, but they were found in his bag. Doesn't sound like he used them and there's no mention of whether or not they're of an illegal class (assuming some are illegal in HK). Another article (1) quotes the Chief Inspector as saying: "If anyone uses such an object to attack a person, it could also be deemed an offensive weapon" but no mention of such an attack in this specific case. Can anyone su…

There's actual video footage of HK police officers arresting a kid because he had a flashlight in his backpack. They deemed it as a "weapon". Right now, HKPD is going on a rampage and making up excuses to arrest anyone who is brazen enough to talk back at them. It's juvenile. Good luck to the police officers who think that they'll magically go back to their normal lives after this. After grossly mistreating so many p…

Some flashlights can definitely be used as weapons. A Maglite to the clavical while holding the bulb end is a pretty sure fire way to break ones collar bone and otherwise incapacitate an assailant. One of the reasons I keep one in my car. I once had the use it as a deterrent in a road rage incident. Random guy got pissed at me for driving aggressively in a school (I was driving the speed limit and he tried to pull out in front of me from a parallel parking spot, I had to swerve to avoid him and he followed me until I got stopped by a red light.).

Anyways, this guy gets out of his car and starts aproaching my car, and I get out of my car with the flashlight. Guy was easily 80-100 lbs larger than me. He immediately stepped back and accused me of being offensive. I responded with: you honked at me, gave me the finger, got out of your car at a light to confront me. I'm being defensive. You also have a significant size advantage. You have a problem with how I drive? Follow me to the police department and I'll tell them what I witnessed. Come a step closer, and you're going to the hospital, most likely.

Guy got back in his car and didnt follow up on my offer to speak with the police.

Used properly, a Maglite can be a great personal defense weapon. Swing toward the clavical (the area where neck meats shoulders). Again, hold by the bulb end; the shape will naturally help hold itself in your hand and youve got 3 C cell batteries at the other end which give a bit of heft to a swing.

Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

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Thought I'd agree with this, but they were found in his bag. Doesn't sound like he used them and there's no mention of whether or not they're of an illegal class (assuming some are illegal in HK). Another article (1) quotes the Chief Inspector as saying: "If anyone uses such an object to attack a person, it could also be deemed an offensive weapon" but no mention of such an attack in this specific case. Can anyone su…

There's actual video footage of HK police officers arresting a kid because he had a flashlight in his backpack. They deemed it as a "weapon". Right now, HKPD is going on a rampage and making up excuses to arrest anyone who is brazen enough to talk back at them. It's juvenile. Good luck to the police officers who think that they'll magically go back to their normal lives after this. After grossly mistreating so many p…

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Re: Police arrest student leader over laser pointers in Hong Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's actual video footage of HK police officers arresting a kid because he had a flashlight in his backpack. They deemed it as a "weapon". Right now, HKPD is going on a rampage and making up excuses to arrest anyone who is brazen enough to talk back at them. It's juvenile. Good luck to the police officers who think that they'll magically go back to their normal lives after this. After grossly mistreating so many p…

Some flashlights can definitely be used as weapons. A Maglite to the clavical while holding the bulb end is a pretty sure fire way to break ones collar bone and otherwise incapacitate an assailant. One of the reasons I keep one in my car. I once had the use it as a deterrent in a road rage incident. Random guy got pissed at me for driving aggressively in a school (I was driving the speed limit and he tried to pull ou…

A flashlight in your backpack is not a weapon.

Also an inexperienced person trying to use a blunt force weapon is more likely to become the victim.

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