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AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fahd allegedly recruited AT&T “insiders” to install malware programs that gathered confidential information and submitted unlock requests using employee credentials via a remote server. These were probably 3rd party call centers or section of the company that ran their customer service lines which gave agents the ability to unlock devices. The amount of spin this article is using to associate locking devices to kee…

I cannot see how would his be profitable. Usually when a customer receives a new cellphone at a lower price, that comes with a 12-24 month extension of a proportionally expensive contract. After said contract expires, AT&T has already made its profit. Even if someone would want to take the device and use another company's SIM card, they would still have to honour the contract with AT&T. The only "free money" scenario…

Not all contracts with AT&T get fully paid off.

A large number end up in collections or written off. AT&T doesn't want to issue unlock codes in those cases, because it severely reduces the chances of them getting paid.

Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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ATT support is awful. I recently had to contact support and through chat support the person said they were adding notes to my account. Of course when I call support another day they have no record of this. They then proceed to forward my call to 2 other departments each of which has no idea why I'm calling. I talked to each of these people for several minutes. How can a company possibly function like this?

It is curious, because the time you spend talking to staff is directly costing them money, so you would imagine they have a serious incentive to arrange their backend systems to be fast and efficient to resolve your query quicker and save them money.

I suspect the support department of most companies isn't empowered to change processes, have better computer systems, etc.

Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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post #14

1.) How is unlocking a phone "malware"? Isn't the lock malware, and the unlocking serves the owner of the device? Calling it malware reeks of regurgitating AT&T propaganda. 2.) How did this "deprive AT&T of the stream of payments it was owned under the customers’ service contracts and installment plans."? A phone getting unlocked doesn't void a contract, so those customers are still on the hook.

It'd be interesting to have a word for software that penetrates security and breaks laws for benevolent purposes.

Penben ?

Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A contract was violated when these phones were unlocked. That doesn't make it wrong. Fun fact, contracts are violated all the time, and not just between individuals and huge telecom companies, but also between large companies. If you have an issue with it you sue for breach of contract. Violating a contract isn't a crime for a reason.

Just because something isn't a crime, doesn't make it beneficial to society, or morally good.

What’s morally bad about unlocking a phone? Literally suggesting that it is morally bad to modify a device you own. If att doesn’t want people to mess with these phones than they shouldn’t sell it.

Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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ATT support is awful. I recently had to contact support and through chat support the person said they were adding notes to my account. Of course when I call support another day they have no record of this. They then proceed to forward my call to 2 other departments each of which has no idea why I'm calling. I talked to each of these people for several minutes. How can a company possibly function like this?

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Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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Looks like they completely buried the lead. That is, US carriers use proprietary hardware/software devices to establish and maintain a profitable strangle-hold on the consumer. No doubt the law the broken. There's no justification for that. However, the lead is the lead is the lead, and it's burried.

It's "lede"...

By usage, not so much.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bury%20the%20l...

Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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post #14

1.) How is unlocking a phone "malware"? Isn't the lock malware, and the unlocking serves the owner of the device? Calling it malware reeks of regurgitating AT&T propaganda. 2.) How did this "deprive AT&T of the stream of payments it was owned under the customers’ service contracts and installment plans."? A phone getting unlocked doesn't void a contract, so those customers are still on the hook.

It'd be interesting to have a word for software that penetrates security and breaks laws for benevolent purposes.

That is called a "crack". :-)

Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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> The indictment doesn’t get into how Fahd was caught. He was arrested in Hong Kong in February 2018 at the request of U.S. authorities. Fahd was extradited from Hong Kong to the U.S. last week to face 14 different charges in federal court in Seattle, including wire fraud, violating the Travel Act and intentional damage to a protected computer.

How was Edward Snowden allowed to chill in Hong Kong? Was it because the indictment/extradition request was political and they don't honor those on our behalf? I thought HK just ignored US arrest warrants.

Re: AT&T employees were bribed to install phone unlocking malware on company network

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Is this how the eBay phone unlocking services work? Usually they say something about servers and "sending your IMEI to the server" etc, and sometimes it can take a certain number of hours.

I bought an ATT locked iPhone SE from Ebay just 2 months ago. The unlocking process was essentially just going to ATT website and typing in the IMEI and they unlock it within 15 minutes for free. I assume all the "pay $10 to unlock your phone" services are just counting on the average person being too lazy to discover your can just do the legwork yourself.

This only works if the person who bought the phone from AT&T paid all their bills. If they had an outstanding bill from with the initial contract, the unlock would not have been completed.
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