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Re: Long time nuclear waste warning messages

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Post by dTal » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

jspash wrote: post #19

ianai wrote: post #16

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I don’t see that as such a risk. Humans evolved in an environment full of deadly things. Sure enough, people died when they were the unlucky first to try something deadly. We’re talking about static hazards that don’t move suddenly to bite people, play possum, or even have attractive aspects like good smells or colors (other than sometimes being warmer than the surrounding area). People will figure it out and leave t…

Google "Siberian Maldives" and you'll see just how devolved humans seem to be these days. Granted, "kids these days" have always been a bit daft, but the race to the bottom is really picking up speed.

You're probably being downvoted because your "humans are devolving" meme is 1) entirely unsubstantiated, and 2) quite dangerous, since it asserts an existential threat that would justify horrifying eugenics measures to avert.

Not to mention that it's typically an annoying ego-wank, since the people asserting it never seem to include themselves in the purported devolution...

Re: Long time nuclear waste warning messages

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Post by viklove » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:38 PM UTC

hermitdev wrote: post #29

MrLeap wrote: post #17

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I wonder if it wouldn't be more helpful to try and design a Geiger counter that could last 10,000 years. I'm picturing a ring of large obelisks made out of some radio luminescent material. Actually it would probably be better if it changed between ugly colors rather than glowed. If it's pretty people would demolish it before the ribbon is cut. Have all your pictograms try and communicate that some color = you're goin…

> I wonder if it wouldn't be more helpful to try and design a Geiger counter that could last 10,000 years. You'd also need to design signage/language to last and transcend those same 10K years to indicate what that constant "blip blip blip" means.

That's what the bodies are for

Re: Long time nuclear waste warning messages

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Post by ianai » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 11:20 PM UTC

dTal wrote: post #41

jspash wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google "Siberian Maldives" and you'll see just how devolved humans seem to be these days. Granted, "kids these days" have always been a bit daft, but the race to the bottom is really picking up speed.

You're probably being downvoted because your "humans are devolving" meme is 1) entirely unsubstantiated, and 2) quite dangerous, since it asserts an existential threat that would justify horrifying eugenics measures to avert. Not to mention that it's typically an annoying ego-wank, since the people asserting it never seem to include themselves in the purported devolution...

Their point is also not related to my point. People are attracted to the dangerous chemical pool because the idiots that emplaced it let it look like a tourist destination. That’s not going to be the case with a nuclear site unless you assume pathological behavior.

Re: Long time nuclear waste warning messages

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Post by jobigoud » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 1:56 PM UTC

number6 wrote: post #37

nukd235 wrote: post #8

There's an opposite line of logic to the disposal of nuclear waste that projects such as these don't seriously consider: Bury it in such a way that any hypothetical future primitive neo-civilisation can't detect it and can't dig it up - for better or for worse. Instead of drawing attention to the dump of strange rocks that make neolithic humans sick, why not make it so unobtrusive that any enterprising future miners…

Just bury it deep and seal the doors. If they have the tools to open it up or dig it out they should be able handle it. Also why do all these people think a) that we are around in 10.000 years or b) we are tribal people at this point?

If we aren't around there is no problem. If we are around and have continued historical records of the waste dump areas there is no problem. The core problem is if we are still around but there has been a big disruption in technology and bookkeeping.

Re: Long time nuclear waste warning messages

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Post by number6 » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 10:25 AM UTC

jobigoud wrote: post #44

number6 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just bury it deep and seal the doors. If they have the tools to open it up or dig it out they should be able handle it. Also why do all these people think a) that we are around in 10.000 years or b) we are tribal people at this point?

If we aren't around there is no problem. If we are around and have continued historical records of the waste dump areas there is no problem. The core problem is if we are still around but there has been a big disruption in technology and bookkeeping.

Sounds like we need a distributed Ledger, a Chain of Blocks do to speak. Like Stone Hedge.