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Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by hello_moto »

adventured wrote: post #82
Guthur wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd need to have been living on a different planet to think that the US is benign. Relatively benign to their own citizens but far and away the most globally antagonistic country over the last 50 years. The list of wars and interventions, arms dealing, extradition etc would be far beyond anything China has done. No government is beyond over stepping it's boundaries but unfortunately non US citizens do not have a co…

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You listed Indonesia. Let me show you what USA did in the past: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/th...

No. I do not trust USA.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by nsporillo »

__m wrote: post #84
FourScore wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US gives more aid around the world than any other country on Earth. The US has been an advocate and global protector of human rights and civil freedoms around the world for over half a century. The US has toppled brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein and kept the global peace. The US has given more to the world through its scientific and industrial innovation in the last 50 years than any other nation over the sam…

They neither give the most aid in total nor in % of gross national income.

https://assets.weforum.org/editor/large_hdWeyZ2KVp7f-1Coc9ss...

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by la_barba »

metafunctor wrote: post #69
la_barba wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its hard to say what makes nations great. The sovereign will always honor their commitments, until they don't :) Because how far back are we willing to go? Most states/kingdoms in Europe have always been at war and there is a long history of reneging under economic strain. (especially wars)

When an entity does not honour their commitments, the money starts going to another entity that appears more trustworthy. I'm not sure what kind of timelines you have in mind, but the above is clear if you look at the past few hundred of years of European history. Wars, in particular, have been funded by honoured business commitments.

>When an entity does not honour their commitments, the money starts going to another entity that appears more trustworthy.

Sure, but when in crises, people heavily favor the short term gains of reneging or violating an agreement over the loss of potential future opportunities.

Also using your logic, Chinese companies appear to be quite a bit trustworthy since businesses and individuals continue to do repeat business in China, continue to open up new businesses in China/sign new contracts etc, etc, etc. As you can imagine, the real-world is a lot more complex.

>I'm not sure what kind of timelines you have in mind, but the above is clear if you look at the past few hundred of years of European history. Wars, in particular, have been funded by honoured business commitments.

I'm talking about things like the confiscation of wealth/property, as happened under Edward I or Phillip IV, or the Stuart period (where the crown sold off lands to fund wars, and did not honor agreements for borrowed funds) for e.g.

Certainly nation states with their constitutions and laws have helped stem this unilateral 'dictatorial' approach to governance, but I think that its a bit too early to say that nation states will always be rational actors. Certainly the US, for e.g. has violated a lot of treaties that were signed with the native americans.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by wolco »

addicted wrote: post #32
kool_kid1 wrote: post #5

If the technology is great, every country will use it without questioning its source, but Chinese tech has never been so innovative, always copying and pasting with a bit of modifications. If you are forcing a country to use your technology, then there's something wrong.

I believe this is incorrect in this case. Huawei is ahead of competitors in the 5G space.

If advanced spying technologies are included they are ahead

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by kenned3 »

adventured wrote: post #82
Guthur wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd need to have been living on a different planet to think that the US is benign. Relatively benign to their own citizens but far and away the most globally antagonistic country over the last 50 years. The list of wars and interventions, arms dealing, extradition etc would be far beyond anything China has done. No government is beyond over stepping it's boundaries but unfortunately non US citizens do not have a co…

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I highly suggest you read about Hong Kong.. clearly you have little understanding of the history behind it.

here's a quick primer for you.

The English were running a huge trade imbalance against china (Tea for payment). The chinese did not purchase much from the english. The English created the "East India Company" to import opium to china (yes, that opium). The chinese did not want this, so the british went to war and won. China was forced to enter into a 99 year lease agreement.

So.. what is this "annexed" you are referring to?

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by wolco »

la_barba wrote: post #52
olliej wrote: post #7

As opposed to the usual one where China's government routinely demands all foreign companies transfer ownership, IP, and technology to China, then once the Chinese companies have all of that decide that the foreign company is "breaking the law" and evicts them from the country. Because only china is allowed to block foreign companies, if other countries do it then it's unfair.

First and foremost, every country looks out for themselves, and who can fault one for doing that? All this shows is that the US isn't the only country that has asymmetric foreign policies and treaties. The "me no like China" chest-thumping is purely based on emotions, unless someone has actually found an actual backdoor in the 5g chips that are being considered for purchase here.

Actually no country does that. From Africian to American to Antarctican to Asian.. no one demands ip, shuts out all foreign companies, demands to be partners and than kicks you using some version of a legal system.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by Sag0Sag0 »

_ptgt wrote: post #11
luckylion wrote: post #8

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That's pretty much the policy for any country in the world that sees a domestic company being -in their view- unfairly blocked from doing business in another country. They tell them "if you discriminate against us, we will do the same to you".

Really? What retaliatory action did the US take on behalf of its tech companies following their blocking in China?

The US has started wars to protect foreign investment. The history of Latin America comes to mind. Some examples would be Allende, the bay of pigs invasion and Nicaraguan Contras.

The fact that the US hasn't retaliated much in the tech industry probably just demonstrates that the industry wasn't firmly enough in bed with the government when China began blocking access to google and facebook.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

adventured wrote: post #82
Guthur wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd need to have been living on a different planet to think that the US is benign. Relatively benign to their own citizens but far and away the most globally antagonistic country over the last 50 years. The list of wars and interventions, arms dealing, extradition etc would be far beyond anything China has done. No government is beyond over stepping it's boundaries but unfortunately non US citizens do not have a co…

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The top 25 destinations for US arms also includes: Saudi Arabia - by far the highest, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Morocco, Turkey, Afghanistan. All of these ahead of the UK in 2018. Also Indonesia. The USA is far and away the world's largest arms dealer.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248552/us-arms-exports-b...

The wars China has been involved in don't include most of the places you claim. Korea, Vietnam, Tibet - that's about it since the post-WW2 revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Peo...

USA on the other hand has quite some list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni...

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by wolco »

AgloeDreams wrote: post #9
olliej wrote: post #7

As opposed to the usual one where China's government routinely demands all foreign companies transfer ownership, IP, and technology to China, then once the Chinese companies have all of that decide that the foreign company is "breaking the law" and evicts them from the country. Because only china is allowed to block foreign companies, if other countries do it then it's unfair.

Like that shiny new battery factory Tesla is building in Shanghai that will produce the number one US market advantage in EV cars?

Not sure why Telsa would want the battery design copied. Has anyone ever gotten to the bottom of this crazy outsourcing of ip. Is it strictly money related?
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