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Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by kingo55 »

Operyl wrote: post #11
kingo55 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How misleading.

I mean, given the entire verbiage around the sites login wall, it seemed plenty obvious here.

Maybe... I don't pay much attention to sales pitches. Just saw 'Read this article for free" and a login button and assumed as much.

It'll convert well for them at least.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by romdev »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

Bookmark https://mbasic.facebook.com to get the messenger features in a readable format on smaller screens.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by rosser »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I don't think it's an attempt to get you to install messenger so much as it's a cheap tactic to drive engagement, generally. I do have Messenger installed on a device, and it also shows unread notifications for conversations where I sent the last message, a bit (I've never timed how long) after the message was sent.

I assumed it was just some shitty dark pattern, that (enough) people are Pavlov-ing at unread notifications to pad their usage metrics nicely, because someone thought, "Let's poke people's brains to make the graphs look better!" or something. I mean, it is Facebook.

EDIT: Phrasing

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by hart_russell »

charlesju wrote: post #13
hart_russell wrote: post #2

+1 to Apple's track record for user privacy. I do not regret switching from Android to iOS (even if siri is woefully behind the voice assistant game)

What voice assistant features do you miss? I've never used Android so I'm curious.

I can't give you specific examples off the top of my head, but in general use I found the Google Assistant to be much "smarter" and have responses to a wide range of queries

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by dang »

codazoda wrote: post #20
kingo55 wrote: post #3

What's with the login wall to read the article? Does every random site need my personal information now?

I wish these types of sites were not allowed on Hacker News. I'm not paying for every little news site I read on here (or the big ones). I usually click on the link, realize it's got this crap on it, and bail back out. I don't want to read it and would rather it didn't even show up. For a while I had updated my CSS setup so that these sites would have a strike through on them and I'd go strait to the comments instead…

If there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post workarounds in the thread. This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 and https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

The Information doesn't have a workaround, but they do unlock many articles for HN readers. I asked them to unlock this one and they did, so everyone who clicks on it from HN can read it now.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by oceanghost »

codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

This is absolutely a dark pattern. I sometimes install the FB app if I need to check something, but NEVER the messaging app. And the FB app will always claim I have 5 or so messages... Which of course is never actually true.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by dang »

The submitted URL was https://www.theinformation.com/articles/facebook-hit-by-appl..., which was hard-paywalled. But The Information has been unlocking many of their articles for HN readers. I asked if they would do that for this one and they said yes, so everyone who clicks on the link above should be able to read it now.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by dang »

yipeedipee wrote: post #24

Ars just covered it: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/08/ios-13-privacy-featu...

Normally we'd switch to something like that so everyone can read it, but since The Information just unlocked this one for HN, we can stick with the original source this time.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by irrational »

hart_russell wrote: post #2

+1 to Apple's track record for user privacy. I do not regret switching from Android to iOS (even if siri is woefully behind the voice assistant game)

Also autocomplete. I had a samsung phone running android that was almost omniscient in knowing what I wanted to type or keeping track of what I had just been reading or searching for and giving me suggestions based on that (like if I had been reading about a restaurant and then went to send a text to my wife it would give me prompts about the restaurant, which is exactly what I wanted). iOS autocomplete is woefully subpar in comparison.
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