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China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by utouq »

yorwba wrote: post #56
NullPrefix wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying Which Nokia timeline are you talking about? The current Nokia HMD which outsources to China and was found to have Chinese botnet in them ?

You seem to misremember what that scandal was about, or maybe you read a particularly hysterical article that misrepresented the situation. Nokia had accidentally enabled an option intended for phones sold in China with a China Telecom contract. To verify that they were eligible for use with the contract, the phones would connect to China Telecom servers on first use. For the phones that had that option incorrectly e…

All telemetry is spyware. Sending telemetry from European users to China is a glorious fuck-up. They deserve to get hurt for that.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by jorblumesea »

anmatapp wrote: post #10

So basically, the big companies own the government in their county.

Other way around. Many large corporations are founded by CCP members and receive massive government funding. In China at least the business and party elite are one and the same.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by lacampbell »

sremani wrote: post #35
yumraj wrote: post #27

There are very few Indian companies operating in China anyway. India should block Huawei now even more. Just like in the case with US, China has more to lose that India. Edit: in case there was any confusion, when I said "US" above I was referring to US-China not US-India.

India has $60 billion trade surplus with US it is not same relationship when with China, India has $60 billion deficit. India is not that important for US, it is useful, Yes. Strategically important? Absolutely NOT! Edit: To Provide Context, there is low scale tit-for-tat going between US and India regarding trade. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/15/economy/india-tariffs-us-trum...

India is not that important for US, it is useful, Yes. Strategically important? Absolutely NOT!

India is extremely strategically important - there's a reason the US goverment now constantly talks about the "Indo-Pacific". It's likely the worlds most populous country, and has a rapidly growing economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93United_States_re...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_(naval_exercise)

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by lacampbell »

wrong_variable wrote: post #41
sremani wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India has $60 billion trade surplus with US it is not same relationship when with China, India has $60 billion deficit. India is not that important for US, it is useful, Yes. Strategically important? Absolutely NOT! Edit: To Provide Context, there is low scale tit-for-tat going between US and India regarding trade. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/15/economy/india-tariffs-us-trum...

You are getting downvoted since Indians are not interested in hearing the truth.

I mean there's over a billion Indians, I'm sure there's some variance in what a billion people are and are not interested in hearing.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by lacampbell »

rdtsc wrote: post #48

China has a good relationship with Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Pakistan_relatio... I wonder how that plays into it, given the recent events in Kashimir: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/india-revokes-kashmir... If I had to guess these sanctions and warnings are never purely technological and are mostly political.

And bewilderingly enough, the US continues to give Pakistan military aid.

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Post by FourScore »

rat9988 wrote: post #67
paganel wrote: post #42

In an ideal world one should not be spied on by anyone else, but in this particular case I think India would be more ok (so to speak) of being spied on by the US than by China, the reason being that India has an ongoing and still open border dispute with China, while its relations with the US are a little more benign. Granted, I'm not from India and I've never visited the country, maybe someone more knowledgeable tha…

I'm not sure that the idea that the US is more benign than china is shared outside the US or the occidental world.

The US gives more aid around the world than any other country on Earth. The US has been an advocate and global protector of human rights and civil freedoms around the world for over half a century. The US has toppled brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein and kept the global peace. The US has given more to the world through its scientific and industrial innovation in the last 50 years than any other nation over the same span of time.

China has basically just kept to itself and has a terrible record on human rights and civil freedoms.

Most of the complaints about the US focus on comparatively small mistakes the US has made which people obsess over in support of their bitter agendas.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by pkaye »

addicted wrote: post #32
kool_kid1 wrote: post #5

If the technology is great, every country will use it without questioning its source, but Chinese tech has never been so innovative, always copying and pasting with a bit of modifications. If you are forcing a country to use your technology, then there's something wrong.

I believe this is incorrect in this case. Huawei is ahead of competitors in the 5G space.

That is because everyone else is working on 6G!

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Post by whatshisface »

FourScore wrote: post #77
rat9988 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that the idea that the US is more benign than china is shared outside the US or the occidental world.

The US gives more aid around the world than any other country on Earth. The US has been an advocate and global protector of human rights and civil freedoms around the world for over half a century. The US has toppled brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein and kept the global peace. The US has given more to the world through its scientific and industrial innovation in the last 50 years than any other nation over the sam…

>The US has toppled brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein and kept the global peace

Those two statements directly conflict: Saddam kept things under control a lot better than the violent mess that exists in Iraq now.

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Post by zeristor »

metafunctor wrote: post #51
hourislate wrote: post #36

Buying 5G technology from a benign country like Finland or Sweden seems like a good strategy. Both these countries have no aspiration for world domination and have track records of honest business dealings. I don't think either Ericson or Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying or stealing technology.

Yep. Honest business dealings such as paying your debts, honoring contracts, enforcing the law, and not being a total unpredictable dick are what, historically, have made nations great. Corrupt leadership can destroy that trust and hamstring an economy for decades, even centuries.

Although not Ericsson, Bofors had developed some bad habits to help sales.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors#Bofors_gun_scandal

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