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China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by malandrew »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #37
hourislate wrote: post #36

Buying 5G technology from a benign country like Finland or Sweden seems like a good strategy. Both these countries have no aspiration for world domination and have track records of honest business dealings. I don't think either Ericson or Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying or stealing technology.

They also have cooperated with GCHQ and the NSA.

It's better to risk being spied on by a country where you have lots of expats working in their tech industry. Having those expats greatly increases the likelihood of someone whistleblowing in your country's favor and someone objecting to abuses in your country's favor.

There are thousands upon thousands of first and second generation Indians working in the US and UK tech industries. There are hardly any working in the Chinese tech industry.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by paxys »

dzonga wrote: post #54

on a serious note. what are the chances of this whole debacle thing causing a full scale warfare ? given the animosity between the 2 neighboring countries India and China. then you factor in US backing India. Then add Russia + china in the mix. This whole sanction and tariff thing can't continue without one side completely asserting dominance over the other. & US will not leave it's position willingly.

We are already very close to "full scale warfare", just of the economic kind. There is likely not going to be the war you are referring to between two superpowers in today's environment.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by paxys »

> warning there could be consequences for Indian firms operating in China

What Indian firms even operate in China? What firms from any country other than China have a meaningful presence there?

I guess the threat is meaningful if you include firms doing any business in China, but by restricting exports or imposing tariffs they are shooting themselves in the foot as well.

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Post by Guthur »

paganel wrote: post #42

In an ideal world one should not be spied on by anyone else, but in this particular case I think India would be more ok (so to speak) of being spied on by the US than by China, the reason being that India has an ongoing and still open border dispute with China, while its relations with the US are a little more benign. Granted, I'm not from India and I've never visited the country, maybe someone more knowledgeable tha…

You'd need to have been living on a different planet to think that the US is benign. Relatively benign to their own citizens but far and away the most globally antagonistic country over the last 50 years. The list of wars and interventions, arms dealing, extradition etc would be far beyond anything China has done.

No government is beyond over stepping it's boundaries but unfortunately non US citizens do not have a constitution to protect them from the US government.

China is threatening the US global trade dominance and the US is reacting in exactly the same way incumbents usually do and unfortunately trade wars between major powers have been historical quite bloody.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by [deleted] »

filoleg wrote: post #57
kamfc wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Switzerland?

I might be wrong, but I cannot think of any prominent Swiss tech companies off the top of my head. They are way more famous for their neutral-good approach in finance, rather than in tech. I agree with you that they are on the same level of neutral-good as Finland/Sweden when it comes to international relations in general, though.

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Post by baybal2 »

paxys wrote: post #63

> warning there could be consequences for Indian firms operating in China What Indian firms even operate in China? What firms from any country other than China have a meaningful presence there? I guess the threat is meaningful if you include firms doing any business in China, but by restricting exports or imposing tariffs they are shooting themselves in the foot as well.

I see people already noticing the timing.

In other news: https://www.dawn.com/news/1498428/china-says-india-move-on-k...

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Post by rat9988 »

paganel wrote: post #42

In an ideal world one should not be spied on by anyone else, but in this particular case I think India would be more ok (so to speak) of being spied on by the US than by China, the reason being that India has an ongoing and still open border dispute with China, while its relations with the US are a little more benign. Granted, I'm not from India and I've never visited the country, maybe someone more knowledgeable tha…

I'm not sure that the idea that the US is more benign than china is shared outside the US or the occidental world.

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Post by ff317 »

filoleg wrote: post #57
kamfc wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Switzerland?

I might be wrong, but I cannot think of any prominent Swiss tech companies off the top of my head. They are way more famous for their neutral-good approach in finance, rather than in tech. I agree with you that they are on the same level of neutral-good as Finland/Sweden when it comes to international relations in general, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech is Swiss-based, but they don't make 5G hardware :)

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by metafunctor »

la_barba wrote: post #60
metafunctor wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Honest business dealings such as paying your debts, honoring contracts, enforcing the law, and not being a total unpredictable dick are what, historically, have made nations great. Corrupt leadership can destroy that trust and hamstring an economy for decades, even centuries.

Its hard to say what makes nations great. The sovereign will always honor their commitments, until they don't :) Because how far back are we willing to go? Most states/kingdoms in Europe have always been at war and there is a long history of reneging under economic strain. (especially wars)

When an entity does not honour their commitments, the money starts going to another entity that appears more trustworthy.

I'm not sure what kind of timelines you have in mind, but the above is clear if you look at the past few hundred of years of European history. Wars, in particular, have been funded by honoured business commitments.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by eximius »

rdtsc wrote: post #48

China has a good relationship with Pakistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Pakistan_relatio... I wonder how that plays into it, given the recent events in Kashimir: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/india-revokes-kashmir... If I had to guess these sanctions and warnings are never purely technological and are mostly political.

I don't know anything about this, but it seems quite surprising, given China's record of 'disappearing' millions of Muslims (and other citizens) right next door to Pakistan
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