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Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by metafunctor » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 8:57 PM UTC

hourislate wrote: post #36

Buying 5G technology from a benign country like Finland or Sweden seems like a good strategy. Both these countries have no aspiration for world domination and have track records of honest business dealings. I don't think either Ericson or Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying or stealing technology.

Yep. Honest business dealings such as paying your debts, honoring contracts, enforcing the law, and not being a total unpredictable dick are what, historically, have made nations great.

Corrupt leadership can destroy that trust and hamstring an economy for decades, even centuries.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by la_barba » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

olliej wrote: post #7

As opposed to the usual one where China's government routinely demands all foreign companies transfer ownership, IP, and technology to China, then once the Chinese companies have all of that decide that the foreign company is "breaking the law" and evicts them from the country. Because only china is allowed to block foreign companies, if other countries do it then it's unfair.

First and foremost, every country looks out for themselves, and who can fault one for doing that? All this shows is that the US isn't the only country that has asymmetric foreign policies and treaties. The "me no like China" chest-thumping is purely based on emotions, unless someone has actually found an actual backdoor in the 5g chips that are being considered for purchase here.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by guidedlight » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:04 PM UTC

robocat wrote: post #39

So India just needs to pre-ask for "reverse-reverse-sanctions" from the US: Hey Mr States, we'll not use Huawei like you asked us, if you'll give us extra XXXX access to your country.

The US needs strong developing countries to manufacture its stuff. Vietnam is still pretty small. India has more familiar industrial relations and government model.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by dzonga » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:07 PM UTC

on a serious note. what are the chances of this whole debacle thing causing a full scale warfare ? given the animosity between the 2 neighboring countries India and China. then you factor in US backing India. Then add Russia + china in the mix. This whole sanction and tariff thing can't continue without one side completely asserting dominance over the other. & US will not leave it's position willingly.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by Leary » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:09 PM UTC

dzonga wrote: post #54

on a serious note. what are the chances of this whole debacle thing causing a full scale warfare ? given the animosity between the 2 neighboring countries India and China. then you factor in US backing India. Then add Russia + china in the mix. This whole sanction and tariff thing can't continue without one side completely asserting dominance over the other. & US will not leave it's position willingly.

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Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by yorwba » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:11 PM UTC

NullPrefix wrote: post #38

hourislate wrote: post #36

Buying 5G technology from a benign country like Finland or Sweden seems like a good strategy. Both these countries have no aspiration for world domination and have track records of honest business dealings. I don't think either Ericson or Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying or stealing technology.

>Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying Which Nokia timeline are you talking about? The current Nokia HMD which outsources to China and was found to have Chinese botnet in them ?

You seem to misremember what that scandal was about, or maybe you read a particularly hysterical article that misrepresented the situation.

Nokia had accidentally enabled an option intended for phones sold in China with a China Telecom contract. To verify that they were eligible for use with the contract, the phones would connect to China Telecom servers on first use. For the phones that had that option incorrectly enabled, the request failed (because they weren't in China Telecom's database) and was retried relatively frequently. Based on this behavior, the initial report assumed the worst, but in the end it was misconfigured telemetry.

You can call it spyware if you want, but no botnet was involved.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by filoleg » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:12 PM UTC

kamfc wrote: post #46

hourislate wrote: post #36

Buying 5G technology from a benign country like Finland or Sweden seems like a good strategy. Both these countries have no aspiration for world domination and have track records of honest business dealings. I don't think either Ericson or Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying or stealing technology.

What about Switzerland?

I might be wrong, but I cannot think of any prominent Swiss tech companies off the top of my head. They are way more famous for their neutral-good approach in finance, rather than in tech.

I agree with you that they are on the same level of neutral-good as Finland/Sweden when it comes to international relations in general, though.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by bjelkeman-again » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:13 PM UTC

kamfc wrote: post #46

hourislate wrote: post #36

Buying 5G technology from a benign country like Finland or Sweden seems like a good strategy. Both these countries have no aspiration for world domination and have track records of honest business dealings. I don't think either Ericson or Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying or stealing technology.

What about Switzerland?

Do they have the equivalent of Ericsson (SE) or Nokia (FI)? I think these mobile phone tech companies was what was referred to.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by YinLuck- » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:18 PM UTC

_ptgt wrote: post #11

luckylion wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much the policy for any country in the world that sees a domestic company being -in their view- unfairly blocked from doing business in another country. They tell them "if you discriminate against us, we will do the same to you".

Really? What retaliatory action did the US take on behalf of its tech companies following their blocking in China?

The US literally sailed a fleet into Tokyo harbor to force Japan to buy American goods.

I don't see anything fundamentally different with China threatening a country for refusing to allow its companies to trade.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Post by la_barba » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:18 PM UTC

metafunctor wrote: post #51

hourislate wrote: post #36

Buying 5G technology from a benign country like Finland or Sweden seems like a good strategy. Both these countries have no aspiration for world domination and have track records of honest business dealings. I don't think either Ericson or Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying or stealing technology.

Yep. Honest business dealings such as paying your debts, honoring contracts, enforcing the law, and not being a total unpredictable dick are what, historically, have made nations great. Corrupt leadership can destroy that trust and hamstring an economy for decades, even centuries.

Its hard to say what makes nations great. The sovereign will always honor their commitments, until they don't :) Because how far back are we willing to go? Most states/kingdoms in Europe have always been at war and there is a long history of reneging under economic strain. (especially wars)