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China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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There are very few Indian companies operating in China anyway. India should block Huawei now even more. Just like in the case with US, China has more to lose that India. Edit: in case there was any confusion, when I said "US" above I was referring to US-China not US-India.

India has $60 billion trade surplus with US it is not same relationship when with China, India has $60 billion deficit. India is not that important for US, it is useful, Yes. Strategically important? Absolutely NOT! Edit: To Provide Context, there is low scale tit-for-tat going between US and India regarding trade. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/15/economy/india-tariffs-us-trum...

You are getting downvoted since Indians are not interested in hearing the truth.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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In an ideal world one should not be spied on by anyone else, but in this particular case I think India would be more ok (so to speak) of being spied on by the US than by China, the reason being that India has an ongoing and still open border dispute with China, while its relations with the US are a little more benign. Granted, I'm not from India and I've never visited the country, maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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If the technology is great, every country will use it without questioning its source, but Chinese tech has never been so innovative, always copying and pasting with a bit of modifications. If you are forcing a country to use your technology, then there's something wrong.

I believe this is incorrect in this case. Huawei is ahead of competitors in the 5G space.

Considering the sheer volume of mobile devices in asia, and China in particular, this wouldn't surprise me. However, I was under the impression that "5g" doesn't actually mean anything. As in there is no technical definition or standard that Huawei could be ahead of. Are we just talking about general mobile technologies or have things changed wrt 5G?

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

India has $60 billion trade surplus with US it is not same relationship when with China, India has $60 billion deficit. India is not that important for US, it is useful, Yes. Strategically important? Absolutely NOT! Edit: To Provide Context, there is low scale tit-for-tat going between US and India regarding trade. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/15/economy/india-tariffs-us-trum...

You are getting downvoted since Indians are not interested in hearing the truth.

The downvotes may be for being off-topic. The thread is discussing the China-India relationship and not so much the India-US relationship.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Tit-for-tat. From my scarce knowledge of game-theory and world-politics it is generally accepted as the default move in these types of situations. But well, if India sees Huawei as security threat, shouldn't they have a quite good justification for blocking them? It's not that they are outright punishing Huawei for just existing, but that there is, in their opinion, a real cause for them to fear Huawei of spying thei…

Honestly things like phones and their networks should be built and maintained in their home nations

and email hosting. Email hosting is a big deal.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Buying 5G technology from a benign country like Finland or Sweden seems like a good strategy. Both these countries have no aspiration for world domination and have track records of honest business dealings. I don't think either Ericson or Nokia has ever been accused or guilty of spying or stealing technology.

What about Switzerland?

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are getting downvoted since Indians are not interested in hearing the truth.

The downvotes may be for being off-topic. The thread is discussing the China-India relationship and not so much the India-US relationship.

>> Just like in the case of US, China has more to lose that India.

Could be or not, I interpreted the OP as he is commenting how US is losing a trade disagreement with India. Again, on second read it was ambiguous enough. It was not an intentional tangent.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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China has a good relationship with Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Pakistan_relatio...

I wonder how that plays into it, given the recent events in Kashimir: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/india-revokes-kashmir...

If I had to guess these sanctions and warnings are never purely technological and are mostly political.

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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So India just needs to pre-ask for "reverse-reverse-sanctions" from the US: Hey Mr States, we'll not use Huawei like you asked us, if you'll give us extra XXXX access to your country.

More like: “Hey India, if you don’t avoid Huawei with us, you’ll have even bigger sanctions than if you follow Chinese advice. And won’t get spied upon by the Chinese.”

Re: China warns India of 'reverse sanctions' if Huawei is blocked

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There are very few Indian companies operating in China anyway. India should block Huawei now even more. Just like in the case with US, China has more to lose that India. Edit: in case there was any confusion, when I said "US" above I was referring to US-China not US-India.

India has $60 billion trade surplus with US it is not same relationship when with China, India has $60 billion deficit. India is not that important for US, it is useful, Yes. Strategically important? Absolutely NOT! Edit: To Provide Context, there is low scale tit-for-tat going between US and India regarding trade. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/15/economy/india-tariffs-us-trum...

For 2018 the India goods trade surplus with the US was $21 billion ($33.5b in US exports to India; $54.3b in India exports to the US).

US exports to India climbed from $21b to $33b over the prior two years (2017 & 2018). That's a nice increase of $12b or 57%; their exports to the US increased by $8b over that same time frame.

To put that into context, US exports to India will match US exports to France this year approximately, so it's already a serious export market for the US (and 50%+ larger than US exports to Italy, which is the 8th largest economy). Importantly, India has serious economic growth and a likely high long-term growth trajectory, whereas most of the top 20 economies have had very little or zero growth the past decade plus. If you're the US and you're seeking export growth, India is one of the best options.

The primary benefit to maintaining a good, equitable economic relationship with India, is that they're likely to have a very large economy in the near future. Even though they will remain poor per capita for a long time, they're almost guaranteed to become the world's third largest economy behind the US and China in the next few decades.

In terms of economic output they passed France this year and will soon pass the UK (within 6-12 months if they haven't already). That puts them #5 behind Germany, which they'll plausibly pass in six or seven years. 20 years from now when they have a $8 or $10 trillion economy, as an American, I'd prefer that the US have a reasonable economic relationship with India that benefits both sides. In the future they will probably be a very important market for the US, so you should try to take care of the relationship today.

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