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Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

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Post by scarface74 »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #274
scarface74 wrote: post #127

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Why would anyone pay $9.99 a month for Dropbox when you can pay $9.99 for Office 365, get the full office suite for six users with 1TB of storage each? I’ve never tried it, but unlike Dropbox, with OneDrive you can share folders without the shared folders taking away from your storage. With Dropbox for instance with the free account, if you have 2GB of storage and use a shared folder with 2GB of storage you still hav…

> Why would anyone pay $9.99 a month for Dropbox when you can pay $9.99 for Office 365, get the full office suite for six users with 1TB of storage each? Dropbox's entire business relies on reliable file sync. Microsoft on the other hand, has OneDrive as one of many services. If I'm setting up cloud services for businesses that need years of guaranteed service with little change and good customer support, I know Drop…

Well, seeing that Dropbox is losing money every quarter, which one do you think will be around “for years to come” - Microsoft or Dropbox?

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Post by foobarian »

wlesieutre wrote: post #277
robocat wrote: post #207

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> simply hold refresh, click "request desktop site" Apple are changing that feature in iOS13 to be a lot more obvious (menu where reader button is). And iPadOS13 (beta 4) defaults to Desktop Mode (might break lots of websites) although there is a setting to change it to default to Mobile Mode. Android Chrome users have Desktop Mode checkbox under the hamburger menu.

I'm running the iPad OS beta and have yet to run into a site that it breaks. Mostly it's a huge upgrade, you can use sites like YouTube that have been serving the gimped phone version to iPad users for years. Set the video resolution? Don't mind if I do! It sounds simple, but I've read that at lot of work went into the desktop class browsing experience so that it can handle websites that are designed for cursors. The…

From the other side of the fence, it has been a lot more efficient to use a responsive design on all clients, so that small screens automatically get what used to be the mobile site. The benefit for us was we don't need to maintain separate code paths which turned out to be quite a bit of code/markup and caused a lot of problems over time.

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Post by ballenf »

Skunkleton wrote: post #210
robocat wrote: post #207

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> simply hold refresh, click "request desktop site" Apple are changing that feature in iOS13 to be a lot more obvious (menu where reader button is). And iPadOS13 (beta 4) defaults to Desktop Mode (might break lots of websites) although there is a setting to change it to default to Mobile Mode. Android Chrome users have Desktop Mode checkbox under the hamburger menu.

I wish Apple would drop their partnership w/ Yelp.

Apple Maps are frustratingly locked to the Yelp app. If it’s not installed, you simply can’t see more than the 3 excerpted reviews in maps app. To see the full Yelp listing (or full text of one of teased reviews) you have to go to yelp.com and search again for the establishment.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

cj wrote: post #157
lazerwalker wrote: post #101

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I wouldn't necessarily frame that as an inevitability of Dropbox as a product, as much as an inevitability of the traditional VC funding model. It's likely you could build a very healthy business selling people file syncing — I personally use a tiny minimalist Dropbox competitor that seems to be doing just fine. The hypergrowth demanded by investors when you take on $1.7B in funding is what's the challenge.

> The hypergrowth demanded by investors when you take on $1.7B in funding is what's the challenge. This. The local pizza joint is probably a great family operated business with a enough profit to support the owners + employees (but probably not enough profit to support the owners, employees AND investors). If you take that same pizza joint and give them $10m from investors, the pizza joint will attempt to franchise t…

I think that's the Blockbuster model. I'm unsure but I think Blockbuster net profit during it's existence was roughly zero.

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Post by wlesieutre »

foobarian wrote: post #282
wlesieutre wrote: post #277

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I'm running the iPad OS beta and have yet to run into a site that it breaks. Mostly it's a huge upgrade, you can use sites like YouTube that have been serving the gimped phone version to iPad users for years. Set the video resolution? Don't mind if I do! It sounds simple, but I've read that at lot of work went into the desktop class browsing experience so that it can handle websites that are designed for cursors. The…

From the other side of the fence, it has been a lot more efficient to use a responsive design on all clients, so that small screens automatically get what used to be the mobile site. The benefit for us was we don't need to maintain separate code paths which turned out to be quite a bit of code/markup and caused a lot of problems over time.

Agreed, but unfortunately not how a lot of sites work (especially Google's properties) - they'll sniff a Mobile Safari user agent and say "Here's the gimpy phone edition with half the options missing!"

13" iPad Pro? Gimped version. 12" MacBook with a smaller screen and worse CPU/GPU performance? Full version!

I would've thought that it'd be simpler to have one codebase and make some UI modifications so that it works on touch devices. But it's been years and they didn't. Maybe cost savings by giving phone users low resolution streams and no way to change it?

I don't use Google Docs, but I gather being able to use the real web version on an iPad now beats out their official iOS apps.

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Post by stevenwliao »

duxup wrote: post #69
sundayedition wrote: post #5

I've found Google Maps review quality and quantity improved over the last few years so it's rare that I'd even open Yelp in recent months. With this, I'm deleting my Yelp app.

When I used to use Yelp, I found the reviews are so hard to wade though. So many: - I had a bad time .. once. - This restaurant isn't as good as this other place that is twice as expensive. - We had to wait a "long time". - The food sucked (because they don't like the kind of food they serve...). - This place sucks and you should go to this other completely different place.

With so many good restaurants, why would I go back to one where I had a bad time?

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Post by scarface74 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #278
rgbrenner wrote: post #255

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Who's to say they're doing anything wrong? Microsoft is a huge company that can subsidize products using their profits from other products. They book Office 365 revenue as cloud revenue, and they're eager to grow that portion of their business to make Azure look good. So they're basically giving away services and throwing money at it to pad growth for Azure. If anything, it's likely Dropbox's prices are closer to the…

Okay, so the problem isn't Dropbox's original business model was inherently flawed, but that they have a competitor who is behaving unsustainably.

You really think that Microsoft is losing money on Office 365 subscriptions?

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Post by RHSeeger »

tempsy wrote: post #184

Makes me think really hard about tech’s blind adoration for the “PayPal mafia.” I find myself seeing more instances of soul crushing amoral behavior from this group of entrepreneurs than just about any other group.

Every person I know in tech thinks the lot of them are different forms of Satan. It's the people outside of tech, that don't know of their exploits, that don't think that.

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Post by RHSeeger »

qes wrote: post #260
soup10 wrote: post #250

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It's worth pointing out that Google shamelessly cloned Yelp and funnels everyone into using their clone when they search for restaurants. If Yelp is in desperate spot its because Google put them there.

Google also did it better, but that's just my opinion.

They're still pretty bad

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/20/18693144/google-maps-fake...

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Post by athenot »

dhritzkiv wrote: post #50
wlesieutre wrote: post #8

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Apple hasn’t wanted to compete with Google on business listings for their maps, so they integrated yelp instead. It’s terrible. Here’s hoping that their push to bring maps data in house is followed by doing the same for this.

In-house data or at least switching to Foursquare (like they use in Europe).

I don't understand Foursquare. They are perfectly positionned to compete against Yelp, and I even try to make an effort to use them but their insistence on gamification is very off-putting. Meanwhile, Facebook has been aggressively building its own database.
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