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New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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There were (maybe still are) tons of such mesh networks run by small commercial operators in Germany's rural areas, usually using directional radio to create connections between villages and then meshing all the wifi consumer routers to span wifi over the village. They did that/do that because the major commercial providers (i.e. Telekom) weren't exactly fast laying fiber to these villages. A buddy of mine used to ru…

My home internet in the Rocky Mountains, USA is delivered via mesh-WiFi provided by one of my neighbors. It's a really cool system actually- the towers are battery/solar operated and some can only be accessed via horseback. Covers ~500 homes. 5mbps down/2mbps up is what I get for $79/month, and I've learned to live with it. The only other option is satellite internet with restrictive usage caps. We used to have anoth…

Does your connection maintain 5mbps/2mbps consistently? Or do you experience ups and downs in terms of speed?

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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Are there similar efforts to follow in other cities? e.g Boston, SF

I believe Athens[0] was the first, or perhaps just a successful early effort. I remember being quite inspired when I read about it. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens_Wireless_Metropolitan...

There was Consume in the UK (predominantly London) from 2000. http://dek.spc.org/julian/consume/

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From their docs, it looks like they're deploying a series of neighborhood-scale mesh networks, each with at least one "supernode" which acts as gateway to other supernodes and the meshes behind them, and possibly also to the internet. All the supernodes themselves are meshed together as well, each with its own private ASN.

> and possibly also to the internet. That is an excellent point. Mesh nets may be vulnerable to being monitored over the internet. I have not read the article, but I hope these groups are building privacy into their protocol. I have wanted to build something like this for decade now. It is inspiring to hear about their success.

Well, if you're using TLS it shouldn't matter if someone is monitoring, right?

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I'm curious about how these things are expected to scale.. 1000 subscribers, dedicated support person 5000, ??? 10000, ??? At some point these community efforts must grow back into a company again, right? And the cycle repeats

Except that company doesn't own the infrastructure because it's decentralized.

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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I've been very intrigued by their efforts for some time now. Last time I read about NYC Mesh, it sent me down a rabbit hole of research into mesh networks and what it takes to found an ISP. I'd love to replicate their efforts in NOLA, but the legal and technical hurdles are tricky! When I had looked into it, these resources had been helpful for research: Wireless Networking in the Developing world -- http://wndw.net/…

I also found https://startyourownisp.com/ to be a good resource. I have no interest in founding an ISP, but it was really cool to read and think about

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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While I am in favor of increasing competition among ISPs. I don't see how making it volunteer-based is actually good. All this does is take away presumably well-paying jobs from those who need them. IMO, a for-profit company developing a new mesh network would be more compelling. Not only would it provide local jobs, but it would also drive down the cost of internet for all. Somehow though, I feel this is a minority…

While I agree that paying people for their work is good, and that it would be cool if NYC Mesh grew into something that could provide workers with a good living, I see no need for it to become a for-profit company in order to do so.

Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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I've been very intrigued by their efforts for some time now. Last time I read about NYC Mesh, it sent me down a rabbit hole of research into mesh networks and what it takes to found an ISP. I'd love to replicate their efforts in NOLA, but the legal and technical hurdles are tricky! When I had looked into it, these resources had been helpful for research: Wireless Networking in the Developing world -- http://wndw.net/…

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Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

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I've been very intrigued by their efforts for some time now. Last time I read about NYC Mesh, it sent me down a rabbit hole of research into mesh networks and what it takes to found an ISP. I'd love to replicate their efforts in NOLA, but the legal and technical hurdles are tricky! When I had looked into it, these resources had been helpful for research: Wireless Networking in the Developing world -- http://wndw.net/…

I also found https://startyourownisp.com/ to be a good resource. I have no interest in founding an ISP, but it was really cool to read and think about

Came here to say the same! Here's the link to the related HN discussion, in case it can useful as well [0].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16160394

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