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Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

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Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

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Yelp is such a slimy company. First they wall off their mobile web reviews to try to force you to download their POS app, they have the whole extortion racket going trying to strongarm restaurants into paying for advertising, and now this. Friendly reminder - if you are on mobile and trying to read a Yelp review and don't want to download their app, simply hold refresh, click "request desktop site" and it will load t…

https://www.yelp-support.com/article/Does-Yelp-extort-small-... I've kind of gotten tired of diving into the whole "yelp extorted my brother's cousin's friend's coworker's business for better ratings" anecdotal story schtick so I'm just going to link the above -- or are you suggesting they're getting away with lying on official communication? If yelp is altering reviews for paying clients, please show the evidence as…

> or are you suggesting they're getting away with lying on official communication?

They've probably carefully avoided lying while still being as misleading as possible.

> If yelp is altering reviews for paying clients, please show the evidence

yelp may not alter the reviews themselves, but it does change the sorting of reviews and images for paying customers.

Also the willingness/capability to carry through on the threat used in extortion isn't directly required, just the threat itself. The execution of the threat is only important when you want the consequences of non-compliance broadly known.

> I suspect, at worst, that they either misunderstood the sales pitch or were contacted by a scummy SEO-like company.

Really? Yelp is a business which provides little to no customer support bandwidth. Sales is easiest point of contact for Businesses with questions about reviews. Do you really think none of those sales people might have deliberately mislead businesses about impact of purchasing advertising on reviews? It may or may not have been condoned by Yelp, but it almost certainly happened.

For specific a specific claim that seems to provide evidence that something weird is going on:

> And what is indisputably clear is that Yelp’s claim that 75 percent of the reviews that get posted by Yelp users become recommended reviews is wildly inaccurate in the case of Baraka Café. When Yelp was only displaying 16 reviews and filtering out 30, it was displaying roughly 35% of all the reviews of Baraka Café, and suppressing 65% of them. It recommended less than half the claimed figure of 75%. Most importantly, none of the suppressed views were negative, only positive reviews were suppressed.[1]

[1] https://thetechnoskeptic.com/yelp-extortion-starring-role/

Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

#122

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To quote Jobs about Dropbox - Yelp is a feature not a product.

Steve Jobs FTW yet again. I thought he was wrong about Dropbox for the longest time. But their latest attempts at "productizing" their service (Adobe / Zoom / Slack / Atlassian / Google Docs / Office integrations, "social" features, etc. etc.) have convinced me that simple file sync, which is all I ever wanted from them, is not enough to sustain a company. Meanwhile the shareholder-induced march downwards continues.

I will never forgive Dropbox for limiting free users to 3 linked devices, which promptly resulted in half the people I preached the gospel of Dropbox to ringing my phone and being pissed at ME.

Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

#123

Yelp is such a slimy company. First they wall off their mobile web reviews to try to force you to download their POS app, they have the whole extortion racket going trying to strongarm restaurants into paying for advertising, and now this. Friendly reminder - if you are on mobile and trying to read a Yelp review and don't want to download their app, simply hold refresh, click "request desktop site" and it will load t…

Facebook did the same thing with Messenger

Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

#125
Someone should build a product for restaurants that receives the call, terminates it, and immediately calls the customer back directly. If you can quietly get a critical mass of restaurants onto it, then Yelp wouldn't be able to punish those restaurants.

Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

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Maybe Apple will pressure them to be less shady then.

They'll likely just completely replace them with an in-house solution. Yelp in Apple Maps is probably just a temporary solution

cough antitrust violations are not a good thing to attempt when you're already under investigation for antitrust abuses in multiple jurisdictions.

Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs FTW yet again. I thought he was wrong about Dropbox for the longest time. But their latest attempts at "productizing" their service (Adobe / Zoom / Slack / Atlassian / Google Docs / Office integrations, "social" features, etc. etc.) have convinced me that simple file sync, which is all I ever wanted from them, is not enough to sustain a company. Meanwhile the shareholder-induced march downwards continues.

> have convinced me that simple file sync, which is all I ever wanted from them, is not enough to sustain a company. Is the problem that it's not enough to sustain a company, or that it's not enough to sustain investors who unreasonable expect constant growth? I'd posit that Dropbox has a sustainable business, and that their changes will likely hurt the long-term viability of that business.

Why would anyone pay $9.99 a month for Dropbox when you can pay $9.99 for Office 365, get the full office suite for six users with 1TB of storage each? I’ve never tried it, but unlike Dropbox, with OneDrive you can share folders without the shared folders taking away from your storage.

With Dropbox for instance with the free account, if you have 2GB of storage and use a shared folder with 2GB of storage you still have a total of 2GB.

If you are immersed in the Apple ecosystem, iCloud Drive will be a better solution once they add shared folders in the fall.

Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

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post #123

Yelp is such a slimy company. First they wall off their mobile web reviews to try to force you to download their POS app, they have the whole extortion racket going trying to strongarm restaurants into paying for advertising, and now this. Friendly reminder - if you are on mobile and trying to read a Yelp review and don't want to download their app, simply hold refresh, click "request desktop site" and it will load t…

Facebook did the same thing with Messenger

Fun tidbit: you can still access messenger via mbasic.facebook.com

Looks ugly, but does the trick.

Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

#129
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs FTW yet again. I thought he was wrong about Dropbox for the longest time. But their latest attempts at "productizing" their service (Adobe / Zoom / Slack / Atlassian / Google Docs / Office integrations, "social" features, etc. etc.) have convinced me that simple file sync, which is all I ever wanted from them, is not enough to sustain a company. Meanwhile the shareholder-induced march downwards continues.

Simple file sync is a plenty big enough market to sustain "a" company. Just not one with Dropbox's valuation. The lesson is about investor overreach, not whether or not there was an economic need being filled.

How much could they charge and be profitable? They would need to out market and undercut Apple and Microsoft.

Re: Yelp Is Replacing Restaurants’ Phone Numbers So Grubhub Can Take a Cut

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs FTW yet again. I thought he was wrong about Dropbox for the longest time. But their latest attempts at "productizing" their service (Adobe / Zoom / Slack / Atlassian / Google Docs / Office integrations, "social" features, etc. etc.) have convinced me that simple file sync, which is all I ever wanted from them, is not enough to sustain a company. Meanwhile the shareholder-induced march downwards continues.

I wouldn't necessarily frame that as an inevitability of Dropbox as a product, as much as an inevitability of the traditional VC funding model. It's likely you could build a very healthy business selling people file syncing — I personally use a tiny minimalist Dropbox competitor that seems to be doing just fine. The hypergrowth demanded by investors when you take on $1.7B in funding is what's the challenge.

> tiny minimalist Dropbox competitor

what is it? I'm lookin for alternatives

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