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Goldman Sachs invests in Facebook at $50 Billion valuation

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Re: Goldman Sachs invests in Facebook at $50 Billion valuation

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Are Facebook's users worth $100 each to the company - all 500m of them? Really?

Well, Google has essentially the same number of users and is traded at 190B capitalization. So, a Google user is worth over $300. As people spend more time on FB then at Google, I can understand why FB user is seen as $100 asset.

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Re: Goldman Sachs invests in Facebook at $50 Billion valuation

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I was curious how their valuation has changed over time, so I hit up Google New Timeline* and put together a spreadsheet with a nice graph: http://snowedin.net/blog/2011/01/03/up-up-and-away Unrelated: The "trend" graph type in Google Spreadsheets is pretty awesome. I don't know when they added it, but it rawks. * http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com?date=2004-04-01&zoom=...

Is that Google Spreadsheet publicly-viewable? Your page is showing either "User not signed in" or "Access denied" (if signed into Google), in the spot where I assume there should be an embedded spreadsheet.

Sorry, should be working now. Had the spreadsheet on "Anyone with the link can view" but apparently the embedded chart is only available if you make the spreadsheet public to everyone.

Re: Goldman Sachs invests in Facebook at $50 Billion valuation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that Google Spreadsheet publicly-viewable? Your page is showing either "User not signed in" or "Access denied" (if signed into Google), in the spot where I assume there should be an embedded spreadsheet.

Sorry, should be working now. Had the spreadsheet on "Anyone with the link can view" but apparently the embedded chart is only available if you make the spreadsheet public to everyone.

Works now, thanks!

Re: Goldman Sachs invests in Facebook at $50 Billion valuation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, why would a company "need to settle" at a certain P/E ratio?

If a company is not growing anymore, the only reason to own shares is to get dividends. If the P/E ratio is too high, then the amount of annual dividends per dollar of share won't be worth the risk of the company going bust.

Who even says they would pay dividends? How many tech companies do nowadays?

Re: Goldman Sachs invests in Facebook at $50 Billion valuation

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Is that reasonable? Suppose that Facebook eventually needs to settle at a P/E of 10:1. Then it needs $5B/year of profits. If Facebook is like Microsoft in that it can maintain a high profit margin due to continuing to successfully exclude any competitors from its market, just as it has so far (in Microsoft's case, through a combination of government-granted monopolies, criminality, and consistently not fucking up; in…

Why in the world are you talking about Facebook blackmailing users to earn $2/$3 per user? Advertising (and maintaining what's left of their reputation) is clearly fall more lucrative. If each user just clicks on one Facebook ad each year, that's $2/user/year right there.

Re: Goldman Sachs invests in Facebook at $50 Billion valuation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a company is not growing anymore, the only reason to own shares is to get dividends. If the P/E ratio is too high, then the amount of annual dividends per dollar of share won't be worth the risk of the company going bust.

Who even says they would pay dividends? How many tech companies do nowadays?

Stocks make investors (contrasted with traders) money either by (a) going up in price or (b) paying a dividend every quarter. In order to make your stock price go up, you have to show not just profits, but growing profits. With something like Wal-Mart, this just means either cutting costs or selling more stuff to more customers. However, Facebook is going to (over the next few years) approach market saturation - they hit 500 million users 6 months ago, and there are only two billion internet users world-wide, meaning they can't keep growing at their historical pace forever. As that user growth slows, there are two ways to increase revenues (and profits) - either extract more money from each user or diversify into other products or services. If they can't do that, then they have to reorient into a "own our stock because we pay dividends" slow-growth company like Microsoft.
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