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Re: Finnair Flight 915

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Post by nl »

donaltroddyn wrote: post #8
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #2

It's worth noting that Finnair hasn't lost an aircraft since 1963, and are by some measures thus the safest airline out there. They're no minnow either: while not huge in the US, they've made a killing by exploiting their geographical location as the fastest transfer hub between northern Asia and Europe. https://www.finnair.com/hu/gb/home/rakastevagen

Surely Ryanair takes that crown, an airline which has never had a fatal accident, and which is an order of magnitude larger than Finnair (~130,000,000 passengers annually vs ~13,000,000).

Qantas.

Re: Finnair Flight 915

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Post by VBprogrammer »

cantrevealname wrote: post #10

This is good story to recall whenever someone says that governments, organizations, and other big groups of people can't keep secrets. This was kept secret for 27 years (1987 to 2014)! I imagine that the pilots told their wives, friends, and other pilots all about it. Nobody was even asking them to keep it secret. Probably hundreds of people knew what happened, but the public and the Finnish Transport Safety Agency d…

If the copilot had gone directly to the media this would have been all over the news. At least, I hope it would given the recent spate of outrage driven pieces I've seen about women wearing risque clothing (before anyone objects, they are completely within their rights to do so) being asked to cover up or being removed from a flight.

Re: Finnair Flight 915

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Post by zerr »

cantrevealname wrote: post #10

This is good story to recall whenever someone says that governments, organizations, and other big groups of people can't keep secrets. This was kept secret for 27 years (1987 to 2014)! I imagine that the pilots told their wives, friends, and other pilots all about it. Nobody was even asking them to keep it secret. Probably hundreds of people knew what happened, but the public and the Finnish Transport Safety Agency d…

On a similar note, Soviet government denied the existence of Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact until 1989: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...

Another interesting fact - while on the German side, Ribbentrop was executed in 1946, Molotov enjoyed a happy life, although, similarly to Ribbentrop, he was also involved in massacres and crimes against humanity.

Re: Finnair Flight 915

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Post by donaltroddyn »

nl wrote: post #11
donaltroddyn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely Ryanair takes that crown, an airline which has never had a fatal accident, and which is an order of magnitude larger than Finnair (~130,000,000 passengers annually vs ~13,000,000).

Qantas.

Although Qantas has not had a fatal accident for ~70 years, it has a much smaller fleet and has had far more non-fatal incidents and accidents than Ryanair.

The real contender is Hawaiian Airlines, a ~90-year-old airline with no fatal accidents. Still, it's an order of magnitude smaller than Ryanair (~12,000,000 annual passengers).

Re: Finnair Flight 915

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Post by pintxo »

pastrami_panda wrote: post #14

Reminds me of the brutal sinking of the swedish passenger ship Hansa by soviet, 84 people died with only 2 surviving. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Hansa_(1899)

Hansa was sunk during WW2, I would not compare this to anything happening 1987.

Re: Finnair Flight 915

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Post by officemonkey »

pintxo wrote: post #16
pastrami_panda wrote: post #14

Reminds me of the brutal sinking of the swedish passenger ship Hansa by soviet, 84 people died with only 2 surviving. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Hansa_(1899)

Hansa was sunk during WW2, I would not compare this to anything happening 1987.

The North remembers.

Re: Finnair Flight 915

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Post by keketi »

cantrevealname wrote: post #10

This is good story to recall whenever someone says that governments, organizations, and other big groups of people can't keep secrets. This was kept secret for 27 years (1987 to 2014)! I imagine that the pilots told their wives, friends, and other pilots all about it. Nobody was even asking them to keep it secret. Probably hundreds of people knew what happened, but the public and the Finnish Transport Safety Agency d…

Very true. A similar incident, also from Finland, was the downing of the passenger plane Kaleva. It was shot down by Soviet warplanes during peacetime.

The vague publicly stated reason for the crash was that there was an explosion of foreign origin. The Finnish government knew that the plane was shot down by the Soviets, but chose to withhold this information for foreign policy reasons.

The airline's CEO confided the truth to the pilots' widows, who were sworn to secrecy. The true story was kept secret for almost 50 years until a Finnish aviation historian happened to find a copy of a Soviet air force officer's memoirs which describe the incident.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleva_(airplane)

https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2018/04/24/matkustajakone-kale... (in Finnish)

Re: Finnair Flight 915

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Post by steve19 »

keketi wrote: post #18
cantrevealname wrote: post #10

This is good story to recall whenever someone says that governments, organizations, and other big groups of people can't keep secrets. This was kept secret for 27 years (1987 to 2014)! I imagine that the pilots told their wives, friends, and other pilots all about it. Nobody was even asking them to keep it secret. Probably hundreds of people knew what happened, but the public and the Finnish Transport Safety Agency d…

Very true. A similar incident, also from Finland, was the downing of the passenger plane Kaleva. It was shot down by Soviet warplanes during peacetime. The vague publicly stated reason for the crash was that there was an explosion of foreign origin. The Finnish government knew that the plane was shot down by the Soviets, but chose to withhold this information for foreign policy reasons. The airline's CEO confided the…

So that begets the question, why do the Fins allow the Russian to use their planes as target practice by keeping silent?
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