How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting • Hacker News Board

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by vidarh » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 7:46 AM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #34

yonran wrote: post #14

Have any TLDs attempted to implement a property tax on domains according to value to reduce cyber squatting? To implement a property tax, Glen Weyl and Eric Posner have proposed using self-assessment so that users pay what they want ( https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2818494 and https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Markets-Uprooting-Capitalism-... )

I don't understand how you can ever have a just society if society can deem at any point that your property is too valuable for you to hold anymore. Of course they happens in society today, but I don't see how making it easier for property to be forcibly reallocated would help create a more just society.

Property rights over scarce resources are inherently exclusionary to the rest of society: By holding onto property you deny others access to it.

The question society then need to come to terms with is to what extent it is prepared to grant that exclusionary control.

It is not clear to me how you can have a just society without curtailing property rights. Every country on the planet add substantial restrictions to what you can do with "your" property already in order to reduce the negative impact that property rights has on the rest of society, so the question is really to what extent property rights are balanced to maximize benefit.

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by SenHeng » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 8:42 AM UTC

crazydoggers wrote: post #46

ohashi wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also 'I had forgotten to renew it and it was immediately snatched up' means they didn't notice renewal emails, didn't notice the website stopped working, if it truly expired, it takes months go through that process without them noticing.

Yes, this. People complaining about failed renewals always leave this out. On top of not noticing renewal notices, there’s a 45 day renewal grace period where you can renew the domain after it expires. And even if you miss that, there’s another 30 redemption grace period, where you can pay a fee and have the name restored anyway. So you’re usually talking at least 2-3 months of not noticing or caring. Registrars are…

It happens sometimes. I once owned a domain via MediaTemple registered to an account that no longer existed. I tried but MT wouldn't let me renew the domain even with proof that I was the owner other account (whois contact info, cc purchase history).

Only way to get that domain back was to let it expire and hope no one took it.

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by icebraining » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:44 AM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #80

kkarakk wrote: post #77

I don't think name as domain is important anymore since it's pretty much a numbers game - it is unlikely you'll get your name as a .com domain(the only domain that matters if you want more than a toy website) is going to either be squatted on or already occupied. There needs to be some sort of TLD with authentication. Let's call it .name You only get .name if you do a KYC/register with the government.In case of colli…

Of course there is actually a ".name". I co-founded the company that set it up, and the original idea was to share the second level so you'd get full control over firstname.lastname.name with e-mail forwarding from [first name]@[last name].name. This followed an e-mail service (Nameplanet) we set up when two of us were discussing how we were both basically blocking a whole [lastname].[tld] domain for ourselves. Unfor…

I have to say, .name always bugged me because it's dependent on ignoring all of us who share the same first+last names with others. It's like a TLD that purposefully implements [1]. At least the other TLDs are free-form, they don't purport to be some sort of registry of people.

[1] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-...

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by icebraining » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:46 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #4

orliesaurus wrote: post #2

Good for you Jerry! I hope I never forget my renewal myself! Luckily I use Gandi as a registrar and they're good about reminders to their clients!

I have Google Domains autorenew my domain for me. Does Gandi have something similar?

I think auto-renewal is quite universal nowadays; the problem is keeping the payment method up to date!

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by icebraining » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 9:56 AM UTC

unreal37 wrote: post #36

I think a lot of people don't know what "domain squatting" is. If there's a domain you want, but someone else has it but is not using it, that's not squatting. If you let your personal name domain expire, and someone else registers it, that's not squatting. In order for it to be squatting, they have to be trying to profit off a trademark. I assume Jerry Alex is not a trademark. "Cybersquatting (also known as domain s…

> I assume Jerry Alex is not a trademark.

I'd say it is. He markets himself under that mark, including offering a newsletter with a business focus. Remember that trademarks don't have to be registered; but he could even do that, if he gains enough visibility - see the registered trademark "Sarah Palin", for example.

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by kenneth » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:33 AM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #80

kkarakk wrote: post #77

I don't think name as domain is important anymore since it's pretty much a numbers game - it is unlikely you'll get your name as a .com domain(the only domain that matters if you want more than a toy website) is going to either be squatted on or already occupied. There needs to be some sort of TLD with authentication. Let's call it .name You only get .name if you do a KYC/register with the government.In case of colli…

Of course there is actually a ".name". I co-founded the company that set it up, and the original idea was to share the second level so you'd get full control over firstname.lastname.name with e-mail forwarding from [first name]@[last name].name. This followed an e-mail service (Nameplanet) we set up when two of us were discussing how we were both basically blocking a whole [lastname].[tld] domain for ourselves. Unfor…

My email is my [first]@[last].com. I constantly have to explain to people that I am indeed saying [first]@[last].com and not [first].[last]@gmail.com. Ughh.

Still, worth it. I love my email address!

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by nathan_f77 » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:36 AM UTC

I would like to get nathanbroadbent.com one day. The only problem is that the current owner is also named Nathan Broadbent, and they're also a software developer and startup founder. (This has caused some confusion a few times, such as identity verification for a bank, and during an interview with US immigration.)

ndbroadbent.com will do for now!

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by xtiansimon » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:37 AM UTC

My first domain name was my full name (never occurred to me to look for my initials). Then maybe a year after I was able to get the full name of my brothers and mom and dad and gave this as a holiday gift. After a year they let them expire. :p

I have a few domains for projects I want to do. Unfulfilled dream squatting. But for me the thrill of buying domains was always to nab that hip domain name. Some favorites—which I never owned but wish I did: JoanieLovesChachi.com, Superbad.com. Hahah makes me laugh every time.

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by cyborgx7 » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:41 AM UTC

I had some luck with a .de domain of my name that was being squatted.

There are some judgements in Germany that say you have a special right to the domain with your name, and it's not just first come first serve. I don't remember what exactly I did because it happened a while ago. But it involved sending a physical letter to Denic pointing out that this was domain was my name. I never heard back, but when I checked in a while later, the domain was free for the taking and I bought it.

I assume this only worked because it was a squatter and not someone else with the same name.

Re: How I finally won my name from domain resellers after nine years of waiting

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Post by charlesdm » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:58 AM UTC

Would you mind sharing how much they actually wanted for it?

Are we talking 9 years of waiting, vs $500, or 9 years of waiting, vs $10,000?

Regardless, congrats on getting it back.