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Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Years ago, I worked at a big aerospace company (that no longer exists). I was hiring a small team of software engineers. I was flat out told not to hire anyone who was, or wanted to be, pregnant. Why? Health care cost. We were self-insured, and a baby born with severe health problems could bankrupt our plan.

This story makes no sense: - How could a single baby born with health problems bankrupt a big aerospace company? - A man is just as likely to have a child with severe health problems as a woman even though he'll never be the pregnant one.

> - How could a single baby born with health problems bankrupt a big aerospace company?

Lots of companies have self-funded groups, but join onto an insurance group for negotiating power. For instance, I have a plan like this and our partner-company is Cigna so I carry around a Cigna insurance card with the $FIRM plan.

Looking at the paperwork, the most expensive plan is $67 per week, with an $8,500 max out- of-pocket. $FIRM has (rounding up slightly) 500 employees. So let's say 500 employees x 67 dollars x 52 weeks = 1.742.000 dollars into the insurance pool per year, so two $1.000.00 pregnancies in a year would be devastating. If the pool was low, possibly bankrupting(?) - I'm not actually sure what the failure mode is here, if Cigna has some obligation at that point... guess I have an HR question tomorrow.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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post #42

Years ago, I worked at a big aerospace company (that no longer exists). I was hiring a small team of software engineers. I was flat out told not to hire anyone who was, or wanted to be, pregnant. Why? Health care cost. We were self-insured, and a baby born with severe health problems could bankrupt our plan.

Odds are you had some male software engineers. Did management forbid you to hire any that were married, cohabiting, or considering the possibility? Or did the big aerospace company not insure families?

I've been asked in interviews about my familial status, even had one CTO flat-out tell me he wanted to know because of insurance costs.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should've been more explicit - I haven't experienced any toxicity at Google. However, due to its internal communication culture Google is far more prone to blowups of well-publicized scandals than other companies of similar size. I'll edit my post to make it clearer.

I’m curious how you reconcile the admission that you work at a place with bigoted witch hunts with the claim that you’ve never experienced any toxicity. What is your position on the war with Eastasia?

Google is a huge company, so why's that so hard to believe? In fact I'm curious how you'd so easily write off the whole company and everyone who works there from few pieces of bad press.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Worth mentioning TFA is wrong about the Damore memo... it wasn't suggesting that women are less disposed to be "good engineers" only that they are less disposed to seek out a career in engineering to begin with. Quality isn't a part of it. But that doesn't fit an SJW narrative.

Cases like that are another good reason to flag articles from Vox Media if you see them on HN.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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post #13

I'm always amazed Google management tolerates things like internal message boards aimed at letting employees create Memes on company time. On the "evil point haired boss" level it seems these types of things like their internal message boards cause a lot of trouble for the company. On the less evil side it seems like employees waste a lot of time on these internal sites and all the internal social justice stuff. Mayb…

It seems to me that Google also attracts more far-left employees than any other big company. I find it extremely ironic that those employees accept to be employed by the biggest censorship machine ever made, being paid close to the highest salaries in tech and then complain and plan walkouts in order to virtue signal and feel good about themselves.

Censorship's not really partisan. Whoever's in power has a motive to censor. Right now, the gatekeepers of the internet tilt left-wing; so it's left-wing censoring you see more of on the internet/in colleges. Back when the institutions were right wing, it was reversed.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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post #13

I'm always amazed Google management tolerates things like internal message boards aimed at letting employees create Memes on company time. On the "evil point haired boss" level it seems these types of things like their internal message boards cause a lot of trouble for the company. On the less evil side it seems like employees waste a lot of time on these internal sites and all the internal social justice stuff. Mayb…

The employees creating memes on the company’s time is not the issue here, the issue is active discrimination against pregnant women at said company.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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post #83
post #13

I'm always amazed Google management tolerates things like internal message boards aimed at letting employees create Memes on company time. On the "evil point haired boss" level it seems these types of things like their internal message boards cause a lot of trouble for the company. On the less evil side it seems like employees waste a lot of time on these internal sites and all the internal social justice stuff. Mayb…

> On the less evil side it seems like employees waste a lot of time on these internal sites and all the internal social justice stuff. I work at Google, opinions are my own. If anything, having your employees spend their time on a internal site seems like a great idea because even their fun time is spent "within" the company. It's not like the alternative is they just don't do things besides work.. the alternative is…

There are also numerous third-party places one could hang out and discuss exactly the same things.

The infamous Border Patrol facebook group comes to mind.

At least Google leadership can see what people are saying.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole country is rather politicized (some of it actually violent). Google doesn't force employees to pretend that's not the case. Maybe a good idea, maybe bad.

In hindsight.. it seems like it could become their downfall. It also seems so counter-productive for a company that basically controls large parts of the web traffic to become so politicized. What was Larry, Sergey and Eric thinking? Edit: Seems like I can't create new posts - I'm being rate limited. Editing this comment instead as a workaround. I think Google's stated mission ("to organize the world's information an…

Perhaps they couldn't stop it, or felt that tamping down on employee discussion would cost more than it would benefit? Or maybe they've realized that Google cannot be neutral?

That's the thing about values -- if you won't stand up for them when there's a cost, what good are they?

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This story makes no sense: - How could a single baby born with health problems bankrupt a big aerospace company? - A man is just as likely to have a child with severe health problems as a woman even though he'll never be the pregnant one.

> - How could a single baby born with health problems bankrupt a big aerospace company? Lots of companies have self-funded groups, but join onto an insurance group for negotiating power. For instance, I have a plan like this and our partner-company is Cigna so I carry around a Cigna insurance card with the $FIRM plan. Looking at the paperwork, the most expensive plan is $67 per week, with an $8,500 max out- of-pocket…

$67 per week is your personal out of pocket commitment. The firm is committing much more to the pool.

And yes, Cigna very likely does have an obligation at some point. Most firms of your size negotiate a max per year expense for the firm and insure expenses beyond that point.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody has ever refuted anything that Damore ever actually said - they've just said they didn't like the way it made them feel.

Here's an extremely detailed refutation that was published about two years ago: https://medium.com/@tweetingmouse/the-truth-has-got-its-boot... It's on the first page of google search results for "refutation of james demore memo", as are several other similar pieces.

That article is just rife with attacks on Damore’s character based on speculation and hearsay, and semantic games.
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