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Ok so dominating the market is an important factor for anti-trust litigation. Google is dominating the search market and used this to push Chrome (searching from the url address bar was one of the main reasons people switched). Is that not the same as what Microsoft did? Now they dominate both markets and leveraged both to grow the other.
C'mon. Microsoft controlled Windows, an operating system. A browser is a thing that can be included in an operating system. Google controls google.com, a website. A browser is not something that can be included in a website.
Amazon Is a Monopoly
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Re: Amazon Is a Monopoly
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they are reducing competition, they are hurting consumers. Competition breeds innovation - lower prices, better customer service, new ways of doing things... none of those things happen without competition, because there is no incentive to improve. Look at Comcast / AT&T regional monopolies, which started out promising lower prices until they cornered markets then started raising prices while lowering service qual…
"Competition breeds innovation - lower prices, better customer service, new ways of doing things... none of those things happen without competition, because there is no incentive to improve." Those are the three things Amazon has done amazing at (lower prices, better customer service, new ways of doing things). Isn't that a paradox? You take the stance that only competition can breed this but in this case Amazon has…
It's neither.
It wasn't active competition (or the lack of it, or it being reduced) that generated that outcome. It was Bezos (just as it was Sam Walton before him), he dictated that approach as the basis for Amazon's best likely ability to reach massive scale. There were no possible alternatives, if the goal was to get very large as a retailer. Amazon is Jeff Bezos, he has raised it like a child from day one, totally in control of what it is and what it became.
Bezos was facing a scenario of: approach it that way, or Walmart will take care of it for you eventually and make you redundant.
More precisely it was Bezos looking at the future and having to compete with a Walmart that fully awakened to online retailing. In that future forecast sense it was motivated by the threat / fear of competition that would inevitably crush a smaller Amazon. And if it wasn't Amazon or Walmart, someone would have done it most likely, Bezos surely understood that; that the Internet would make a mega platform like Amazon possible.
For another example of this premise in action: Microsoft wasn't so wildly aggressive and competitive due to the marketplace, or other competition or animal spirits in the water, it was solely due to the personality of Bill Gates. It mirrored his personality, aggressive nature and competitiveness. Gates ultimately made Microsoft in his image (that earlier version of Microsoft anyway). He dictated what it became, he controlled the growth and nature of its culture (and once you set that in order, it flows in that mold forward, a persistent mimic, until something breaks it).
Re: Amazon Is a Monopoly
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok so dominating the market is an important factor for anti-trust litigation. Google is dominating the search market and used this to push Chrome (searching from the url address bar was one of the main reasons people switched). Is that not the same as what Microsoft did? Now they dominate both markets and leveraged both to grow the other.
Google were sanctioned in 2017 for exploiting their dominance in the search market to promote their other services. https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/27/15872354/google-eu-fine-a...
Re: Amazon Is a Monopoly
#64She forgets that the Amazon marketplace is made up of sellers and the prices aren't controlled by Amazon for a lot of their products. These are inherited from the distributor in most cases. Sure Amazon fulfills the orders but it's not like Walmart that controls the entire process. There is more freedom in Amazon. Anyways, this is just the hip thing of today. How about making a service better than Amazon? No that's im…
> There is more freedom in Amazon. I have a friend who has been an online merchant for many years selling through their own website, Ebay, and Amazon. I suspect they would burst out laughing, fall down, and start rolling around on the ground in hysterics if I repeated that to him.
Re: Amazon Is a Monopoly
#65> Amazon gives its own private label products and first-party products an advantage over competitors in a number of ways, from algorithmic ranking, to the buy box, to premium advertising, to direct to consumer marketing, to exclusive customer reviews. Alphabet does absolutely the same but have more power in advertising & page ranking plus collects petabytes users data using Chrome browser and Android platform. Walmar…
Amazon has enough monopoly power in certain categories to abuse that power to harm competition, and Amazon chooses to do so.
Would you still disagree?
Re: Amazon Is a Monopoly
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> Amazon very often competes directly with sellers on the Marketplace, and often undercuts them on price. If Amazon can actually compete with you in a given product niche, then you're not bringing any value to the table (since they own the customer relationship, the fulfillment, the logistics, etc.), so why do you deserve to make money? There are a gazillion product categories on Amazon. There's no way they can bring…
Being on Amazon's Marketplace (the largest in the world), every sale gives Amazon all the statistics needed to pick only guaranteed profitable products. The sellers actually pay Amazon for the privilege of providing Amazon with these market tests! Then Amazon requires the seller to produce invoices showing purchase of the items, usually with some sort of vague threat of suspending your account if they can't "verify t…
No, it does not. They are missing the most important piece of information: Cost of Goods Sold. They also don't know where you sourced the product. Or which features are important to customers and which are not.
> Then Amazon requires the seller to produce invoices showing purchase of the items, usually with some sort of vague threat of suspending your account if they can't "verify the authenticity" of your products.
This is only for trademarked products where the trademark owner has registered with Amazon. And the purpose is to protect consumers: by requiring proof that a product has been sourced from an authorize reseller, rather than some factory making knock offs or somebody buying stolen goods.
> So they proceed to purchase the product, sell it at a loss until you can't hang anymore, and now Amazon is the sole source for the product.
The only sellers this alleged strategy would harm are sellers who are selling a trademarked brand for which they are not authorized. But why should those sellers even be on Amazon? And how would this be any different than Amazon buying these products directly from the manufacturer and being the only seller on their website? In other words, they don't need to do what you're alleging. They are free to just claim certain products as 1st party only.
Separately:
I sell speaker wire on Amazon. I compete against their Amazon Basics brand. I have a viable business that is growing. Because I know more about this market and its weird little crevices than Amazon ever will.
Re: Amazon Is a Monopoly
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Competition breeds innovation - lower prices, better customer service, new ways of doing things... none of those things happen without competition, because there is no incentive to improve." Those are the three things Amazon has done amazing at (lower prices, better customer service, new ways of doing things). Isn't that a paradox? You take the stance that only competition can breed this but in this case Amazon has…
> You take the stance that only competition can breed this but in this case reducing competition has breed these points too. It's neither. It wasn't active competition (or the lack of it, or it being reduced) that generated that outcome. It was Bezos (just as it was Sam Walton before him), he dictated that approach as the basis for Amazon's best likely ability to reach massive scale. There were no possible alternativ…
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C'mon. Microsoft controlled Windows, an operating system. A browser is a thing that can be included in an operating system. Google controls google.com, a website. A browser is not something that can be included in a website.
Yes but is Google search not the default search engine for Chrome? Just like IE was the default search browser for Windows.
Re: Amazon Is a Monopoly
#69She forgets that the Amazon marketplace is made up of sellers and the prices aren't controlled by Amazon for a lot of their products. These are inherited from the distributor in most cases. Sure Amazon fulfills the orders but it's not like Walmart that controls the entire process. There is more freedom in Amazon. Anyways, this is just the hip thing of today. How about making a service better than Amazon? No that's im…
> Anyways, this is just the hip thing of today Observing that Amazon may be monopolizing isn't a new observation. When they began competing against their vendors is when they crossed the line, in my opinion. The same goes for any marketplace. It is one thing to provide your vendors the tools and information they need to operate better, but then to act on that information yourself - the operator of the marketplace - t…
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Amazon very often competes directly with sellers on the Marketplace, and often undercuts them on price. If Amazon can actually compete with you in a given product niche, then you're not bringing any value to the table (since they own the customer relationship, the fulfillment, the logistics, etc.), so why do you deserve to make money? There are a gazillion product categories on Amazon. There's no way they can bring…
Being on Amazon's Marketplace (the largest in the world), every sale gives Amazon all the statistics needed to pick only guaranteed profitable products. The sellers actually pay Amazon for the privilege of providing Amazon with these market tests! Then Amazon requires the seller to produce invoices showing purchase of the items, usually with some sort of vague threat of suspending your account if they can't "verify t…
Is there evidence of Amazon driving a company out of business by abusing this position? If there is then that could be a problem.