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Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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Germany's internet is slow because it relies heavily on unbundling, implemented poorly: https://www.telekom.com/en/media/media-information/archive/f... . Telekom has little incentive to invest in upgrading its infrastructure because it has to lease it out to its competitors anyway. Contrasting Germany and the U.K. offers a really good illustration of how important it is to set incentives correctly. The U.K. also reli…

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Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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France has 30 millions less people and is 50% bigger than germany (550000km2 vs 350000km2), so no, it is not comparable. Germany is way denser than France, with a lot big cities.

Isn't Internet in France supposedly really cheap and very fast?

France has among the slowest Internet in the rich / highly developed countries group.

As recently as 2017 they ranked behind Russia in fixed avg mbps according to Akamai's report and were 5th slowest in Europe. They were #51 globally at that point and Germany was 50% faster and ranked #25 globally.

I'm sure it has improved some in the last two years, I doubt it has dramatically leaped forward.

They've also performed relatively poorly on mobile speeds (from early 2017):

"France got absolutely walloped by all its neighbours, and finished behind 21 other European countries"

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170224/we-all-knew-frances-mobile-...

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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The crazy thing I think is how expensive internet is, in whatever form, in Germany compared to the rest of Europe while simultaneously being so terrible.

It's far cheaper than the US. I get 6MB/s downloads for 15€/month. For mobile, there's a chart making the rounds on Twitter, and it seems to me Germany is very much in line with other countries. Of course it's more expensive than it is in poorer countries in eastern Europe, as everything is.

I don't think the US is the country to compare against in this case.

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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Maybe I'm just behind the times, but I can't think of anything I'd do that would saturate my 20Mbps link, other than maybe downloading an iso or something. I'm using 1 und 1's ultra cheap plan, and browsing works fine, streaming works fine, video conferencing works fine, remote desktops work fine. I work remote, and only once have I experienced an outage.

One easy usage case - downloading steam games. Those things are now frequently >60gigs so speed can be the difference between try my new game tonight or only get a chance to play tomorrow after work.

Silly example I know but real.

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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The crazy thing I think is how expensive internet is, in whatever form, in Germany compared to the rest of Europe while simultaneously being so terrible.

I'll get hate for this, but whenever things like cell service are suddenly shared with millions of people more, the connectivity is stressed out. Companies like AT&T spend at least 1.5 years from the planning of a tower to it's completion, so reliable growth models are required. Sudden population influxes produce problems.

What on Earth are you talking about?

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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But this is the place where you might get lost and without cell service, you are really lost. This is quite annoying in the US, that national parks or deserts have no cell service. The places that need it most (life and death situations) - this is basically a health service there. In comparison to Europe the mobile density is quite sparse there.

Please. If your attitude is that if you get in some kind of trouble, you can just use your cell phone and have someone come get you, you should just stay out of wilderness areas. You're endangering yourself which I wouldn't care that much about but you're also potentially endangering any search and rescue teams that have to come looking for you. As for the lost scenario specifically. I don't know. Maybe carry a (pape…

If your friend falls down a gorge and is unresponsive it seems more than completely reasonable to phone for help.

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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Please. If your attitude is that if you get in some kind of trouble, you can just use your cell phone and have someone come get you, you should just stay out of wilderness areas. You're endangering yourself which I wouldn't care that much about but you're also potentially endangering any search and rescue teams that have to come looking for you. As for the lost scenario specifically. I don't know. Maybe carry a (pape…

If your friend falls down a gorge and is unresponsive it seems more than completely reasonable to phone for help.

There are many ways[1] to radio for help already. It's unreasonable and irresponsible to get into that situation with only a cell phone.

[1]: https://www.rei.com/c/emergency-electronics

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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The running gag of mobile internet in Germany is EU-roaming (no-charge use of you cellular internet service abroad in the EU): I can travel the 1-4 hours to any neighboring countries for the perfect cellular internet access I paid for. The only country where it doesn’t perfectly work is the one I live in. Germany.

Yeah the EU roaming thing is a godsend. The UK contracts in particular are great cause you get ones that extend data to a handful of other interesting countries beyond EU for another couple bucks

https://www.vodafone.co.uk/cs/groups/public/documents/webcon...

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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It's far cheaper than the US. I get 6MB/s downloads for 15€/month. For mobile, there's a chart making the rounds on Twitter, and it seems to me Germany is very much in line with other countries. Of course it's more expensive than it is in poorer countries in eastern Europe, as everything is.

For mobile I have unlimited 4G LTE for $55 dollars a month, including talk/text/etc. The 'real' cap is 60GB were they 'review your account for violations of terms and services'. Just did a speed test and it's 31Mbps download and 4Mbps upload, but it varies wildly by location. But it's consistently fast enough that I can share out over Wifi from my cell phone so I can do my work and while my girlfriend watches youtube…

> If you are travelling in the USA as long as you stick to the interstate system you pretty much get mobile data the entire way. IF you drift onto smaller highways then that is when things get very spotty outside of metropolitan areas.

This really depends on who you are using. When traveling between NorCal and SoCal, Sprint is basically garbage and Tmobile works decently for most of the trip.

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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I'll get hate for this, but whenever things like cell service are suddenly shared with millions of people more, the connectivity is stressed out. Companies like AT&T spend at least 1.5 years from the planning of a tower to it's completion, so reliable growth models are required. Sudden population influxes produce problems.

Are you talking about refugees??

I think that is what just happened...
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