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Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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This is what economic protectionism (for which Germany is famous for) and lack of competition leads to - no investments in the infrastructure.

They do that with cars as well. I was shocked to figure out how bad some of their cars are compare to Asian or other European brands.

Like the lemons made by BMW, Mercedes and Audi?

No single person ever said "I'll pay a premium for an M3"!

Re: Germans Grow Frustrated with Their Slow-Poke Internet

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It's far cheaper than the US. I get 6MB/s downloads for 15€/month. For mobile, there's a chart making the rounds on Twitter, and it seems to me Germany is very much in line with other countries. Of course it's more expensive than it is in poorer countries in eastern Europe, as everything is.

Is the 6MB/s or 6Mbps? Is that the average or minimum guaranteed?

Can you ever really have a minimum guaranteed speed when often times the limiting factor is the remote's ability to upload?

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Is the 6MB/s or 6Mbps? Is that the average or minimum guaranteed?

Can you ever really have a minimum guaranteed speed when often times the limiting factor is the remote's ability to upload?

I guess atleast the speedtest numbers are high.

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It's a national park - this is an intentional policy. There is some cell service, but the park specifically does not want cell towers everywhere. > In 2009, Yellowstone completed a plan for wireless communications in the park. The plan dictates that cell phone and wifi will only be allowed for visitor safety and to enhance park operations. It restricts towers, antennas, and wireless services to a few limited location…

I think that's fairly common in a lot of the bigger and more remote national parks. Death Valley has decent cell reception at Furnace Creek (the main visitor center and lodging area) but AFAIK there's none in the rest of the 3,000 square miles.

Death Valley is also in a valley surrounded by tall mountains loaded with cell tower equipment so the signal propagates pretty easily because there are minimal line-of-sight obstructions.

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I honestly would expect that at a national park. To me that would be what a national park ... just is.

But this is the place where you might get lost and without cell service, you are really lost. This is quite annoying in the US, that national parks or deserts have no cell service. The places that need it most (life and death situations) - this is basically a health service there. In comparison to Europe the mobile density is quite sparse there.

This expectation & comparison is part of why “Death Valley Germans” is such a meme.

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The crazy thing I think is how expensive internet is, in whatever form, in Germany compared to the rest of Europe while simultaneously being so terrible.

I'll get hate for this, but whenever things like cell service are suddenly shared with millions of people more, the connectivity is stressed out. Companies like AT&T spend at least 1.5 years from the planning of a tower to it's completion, so reliable growth models are required. Sudden population influxes produce problems.

Are you talking about refugees??

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But this is the place where you might get lost and without cell service, you are really lost. This is quite annoying in the US, that national parks or deserts have no cell service. The places that need it most (life and death situations) - this is basically a health service there. In comparison to Europe the mobile density is quite sparse there.

This expectation & comparison is part of why “Death Valley Germans” is such a meme.

For reference: http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hun...

It's quite the read.

It's also recommended reading if you go to the US West and your expectations are mostly informed by tooling around the countryside of Western Europe (or the eastern US for that matter).

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I think that's fairly common in a lot of the bigger and more remote national parks. Death Valley has decent cell reception at Furnace Creek (the main visitor center and lodging area) but AFAIK there's none in the rest of the 3,000 square miles.

Death Valley is also in a valley surrounded by tall mountains loaded with cell tower equipment so the signal propagates pretty easily because there are minimal line-of-sight obstructions.

I can't say I've ever noticed cell phone reception outside of the immediate Furnace Creek area but it's possible you can pick something up from whatever is up on the mountains in some locations.

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That’s insane compared to elsewhere in Canada. $95 CAD for 150 Mbps up & down, unlimited data, here. For $120 I could bump that up to 750 up & down.

Please name your provider, location and url to your plan. I find your claim very hard to believe.

That’s Telus’ fibre optic offering. You can see an overview of their plans here: https://www.clearwest.ca/telus-home-solutions/telus-internet.... Although this claims they are metered, Telus now claims they are not (at least, in my community).

And a bit more about the 750 plan here https://www.telus.com/en/deals-and-bundles/internet-750. The 150 404s on their website at the moment https://www.telus.com/en/shop/home/product/internet-150-150 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Th exact prices you see seem to vary depending on where it thinks you are, and it requires a street address and unit number to quote you exactly what I get quoted. I’m not going to give you my address to verify my prices, because I didn’t just fall off a turnip truck.

But if you google around you’ll see their pretty typical (eg. googling “telus internet 750 review” will give you a result that links to Telus’ page with Google adding that there’s a price range of $95-$140)

edit: more info, if you’re really curious https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30805481-Telus-fibre-towns...

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I recently did vacation at the North Sea (land side, not the islands). It was heartbreaking. In many areas the iPhone showed "No Service", in most areas we had "Edge" connection with virtually no data throughput. Even when it showed "3G" I was mostly unable to use WhatsApp. And this is a region where people live! And let's not talk about the landline broadband.... our rented appartment had a meager 1MBit download spe…

The crazy thing I think is how expensive internet is, in whatever form, in Germany compared to the rest of Europe while simultaneously being so terrible.

What did Sweden get so right with internet that Germany got so wrong??
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