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Can any free speech absolutists explain to me the legitimate public interest that is served by allowing terrorist breeding grounds like 8chan to continue to operate?

i don’t have a strong opinion about free speech but i think the argument is: who gets to decide what’s “in the public interest”. if you don’t like somebody’s book, pamphlet, blog post, comment, or tweet, just declare it “not in the public interest”. there you have the makings of tyranny.

See, you didn't answer my question. You essentially only said that nobody should even be able to ask that question.

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What people (seemingly) fail to realise is that neither Cloudflare is the Internet nor Voxility is a public infrastructure. They are private enterprises which are free to act in however they want with regards to the service they provide as laid out in their contract. That is the danger of centralisation; when they remove their service, it feels as if your rights has been violated because (a) you have been so used to…

> What people (seemingly) fail to realise is that neither Cloudflare is the Internet nor Voxility is a public infrastructure.

Everyone realizes that. We're past relying on the First Amendment argument.

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post #60

I am genuinely upset over this. And that is after CEO pinky swears he will not do it in the future. It will be that much easier to do it now that there is a precedent. I doubt he does not know it. I think.. I think I will be starting free speech focused entity. Like NRA. Laser focus. No restrictions on free speech of any kind. Ever. This may be the only thing to prevent US from losing its list of temporary priviledge…

Even CP? I don't think you've thought this all the way through.

that is not free speech though, that is explicitly illegal.

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So I've posted before about how bad this is, and been flagged and downvoted, which sort of proves the point - this is not an open platform for the exchange of ideas in the same way a chan board is.

However, rather than reiterate my previous points, let me pose a question. Where are all the angry young men going to go to now? Will the problem become worse because now people with mental health issues have no place else to form community?

I feel we are in uncharted territory and keep trying to fix the symptoms of a broken society rather than the cause.

Make no mistake, what these young people did was sick and wrong. But they were social "losers" that no one helped or cared for. Because that costs time, money, and "sharing" social capital. By which I mean sometimes you've got to let the little guy win, because humans are social animals and we're hard wired to desire "fairness".

And our society doesn't promote fairness and fraternity. The US, as a culture, just does not give a shit about the little guy.

You want the shootings to stop? Start giving people more than McJobs, make mental health professionals cheap and accessible, start trying to gasp figure out how to get incels laid.

Do we do any of that? Fuck no. Society makes fun of nerdy anti-social people, because it makes people feel big to put others down.

Sometimes I feel like I'm living in the land of the crazy people...

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Didn’t know 8chan hosted their stuff at Voxility, it’s a small world. I’m saying this because Voxility is a Romanian company, I am Romanian, and my company used to also host our stuff at their premises until 3 or 4 years ago. I remember that on one of my visits there (there was always a hard-drive that needed to be handed in person or something like that) I’m 100% sure that I had bumped into what looked to be an FBI…

They could have been using it as a honeypot. Or they were going after something very specific with a limited warrant.

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meanwhile, to us canadians, it's painfully obvious that the problem isn't websites, but guns. curbing free speech is not going to solve this problem for you.

https://dailycaller.com/2015/10/12/remember-the-2007-harvard... It's interesting that the link that was @ Harvard with a pdf of the results (that Harvard published...) is now a broken link. Here is a working copy: https://www.garymauser.net/pdf/KatesMauserHJPP.pdf Gary Mauser who is also a Candadian criminologist. Interesting indeed. https://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/

That link should be flagged.

"This would explain why shootings occur in “gun free zone” schools and movie theaters rather than in police stations or gun clubs."

Seriously HN?

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, all those people who were having fun on 8chan will now see the error of their ways, take up sensitivity training, and post only non-controversial things where ever they land next.

No, but if they don't have an easily accessible platform their message can't spread.

If you think you can stall the flow of information on the internet, I have some bad news for you.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

#228

Can any free speech absolutists explain to me the legitimate public interest that is served by allowing terrorist breeding grounds like 8chan to continue to operate?

Not that hard, 8chan has other sub forums which are related to other interests, they should have given time to 8chan admins to temp block /pol till they figured out how to moderate illegal posts.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We wouldn't tolerate the existence of an Islamist site that glorified and helped perpetrate mass incidents of terror against our society. Speak for yourself, I would. I've downloaded and distributed ISIS propaganda videos before out of sheer intrigue. Just because someone says something you don't like doesn't mean you should ban it. Of course, this will be downvoted to hell because this is a hot topic at the moment…

Isn't it funny how every post here that argues against censorship is being down-voted to the point of invisibility? To me, it goes to show that there is no limit to the censorial impulse. That should tell you something.

This isn't censorship, it's someone being shown the door.
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