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Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by ceejayoz »

GrumpyNl wrote: post #9

When will the same rules apply to other big companies. FB has never been taken down, and they have been streamig some questionable things. I know its a bit, but look at them. Im just struggeling with the feeling. I have only visisted 8chan a while a go to get a taste whats going on and its like all the other "free" boards, no moderators and it becomes a mess.

There's a major difference between "we take that stuff down, but aren't great at finding it" and "we outright refuse to take that stuff down".

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by danharaj »

vorpalhex wrote: post #29
danharaj wrote: post #15

"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the deaths of others your right to say it." How many free speech absolutists have "skin in the game", or whatever? Every alternative to censorship suggested always puts the burden on the victimized. Like, "if you debate it in public you will defeat these bad ideas". Few who are free speech absolutists roll up their sleeves and volunteer to take the action they presc…

It's not that speech doesn't have consequences. If speech had no consequences, it wouldn't be worth defending. Rather, it's that no man is fit to play the censor - not the Government which would censor political criticism of itself, not a king who would censor his opponents, nor even a billionaire who would censor the media when it spurns him. At the same time, if someone points a finger at you and shouts "I'm going…

What you say is reasonable, and is not free speech absolutist. This isn't a No True Scotsman sort of thing. There are people on this very forum who reject out of hand any question that 8chan should be censored.

Another reply to my comment supposed my criticism means that the alternative is a Soviet surveillance state. Really?

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by craze3 »

RandomTisk wrote: post #8

I'm still waiting for a new platform to take the world by storm: The freedom of Gab, with sane content filtering options to make it look as tame as reddit so by default users don't see all the fringe crap, but lets them if they really want, right to the legal edge.

I've been working on something like this for awhile. Any ideas on other killer features that are necessary for it to succeed? (no pun intended)

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by Donald »

atonse wrote: post #21
commandlinefan wrote: post #20

I’m old enough to remember when Howard Stern, as quaint as that seems today, was considered one of the greatest threats to civilization and had to be “de-platformed” before he could successfully destroy society - and the reasoning they used against him was _exactly_ the same as this reasoning: “he, himself (8chan, itself) is not going out and doing horrible things, but he’s encouraging people to go out and do horribl…

Oh yea? Howard Stern was encouraging mass murder? Something that isn't, nor has EVER been protected speech?

The call-in segments on Stern's show have been frequently used as a platform for extreme and fringe positions, including calls for violence. Through the mid 90s, these came from Stern himself, although he has matured and tempered with time.

See these examples:

https://nypost.com/2000/08/16/howard-stern-caller-busted-in-... (2000s; a caller threatens to kill Senator Lieberman on air)

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/665af0/til_t... (Mid 90s; Stern plays gunshots during a Selena song)

https://variety.com/2014/voices/columns/howard-sterns-white-... (Stern books the Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooter)

https://www.howardstern.com/show/2016/10/24/ronnie-limo-driv... (2016 Twitter spat with implied threats of violence with Stern-affiliated staff)

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by tombert »

yhamv wrote: post #40
commanderjroc wrote: post #6

I guess you could say that free speech has limits that are acceptable. You know you can't yell fire in a crowded room and not get litigation and charges brought against you. So, maybe 8chan just ran past the fine line of hate speech vs encouraging acts of hate. I.e you can be racist but you cannot encourage acts of extremism. If 8Chan was a breeding ground for Islamic Extremists would people be okay with still existi…

>If 8Chan was a breeding ground for Islamic Extremists would people be okay with still existing? Depends on whether those people support free speech or not.

Not the OP, but I think you're missing the point of the question; the question is about hypocrisy. I think the poster was trying to say "a lot of people who claim that they love free speech would suddenly become really uncomfortable with the idea of a breeding ground for Islamic Extremists".

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by gwbas1c »

piti166 wrote: post #41
hashmap wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm of the opinion that if we suppress it, it doesn't go away. When it comes back, it's much harder to control. The available evidence says the opposite is true. http://comp.social.gatech.edu/papers/cscw18-chand-hate.pdf The way to deal with the "bad guys" is for private businesses to not give them a platform to spew their hate from. And it's up to us to pressure these private businesses to do that.

The study explicitly states, that the problem went away for reddit, but this does not proof that the hate went away, it maybe just left reddit for another platform.

That's not suppression. That's reddit taking care of its own platform.

There's a difference between policing your own corner of the internet; versus policing the entire internet.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by commandlinefan »

jredwards wrote: post #32
commandlinefan wrote: post #20

I’m old enough to remember when Howard Stern, as quaint as that seems today, was considered one of the greatest threats to civilization and had to be “de-platformed” before he could successfully destroy society - and the reasoning they used against him was _exactly_ the same as this reasoning: “he, himself (8chan, itself) is not going out and doing horrible things, but he’s encouraging people to go out and do horribl…

I think there's a pretty big gap between making dick jokes and encouraging mass murder.

But not much gap between conflating allowing free speech and encouraging mass murder to conflating dick jokes (and having a KKK member as a frequent guest) and encouraging moral decay.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by yters »

cat199 wrote: post #44
Sonnol53 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what makes them think that they are superior to others and it tips them in conducting mass shootings?

.. not to mention that most mass shooters don't have children and end up shot during the situation..

It is not individual Darwinism but social Darwinism. They think they are part of a superior race, and so it does not matter as much what happens to them individually.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by jklinger410 »

gwbas1c wrote: post #5

I'm of the opinion that if we suppress it, it doesn't go away. When it comes back, it's much harder to control. I also firmly believe that everyone has biases and inclinations that are morally wrong. The sooner we learn how to deal with the "good guys" unfair biases, the sooner we can figure out how to deal with the "bad guys" too.

Many of these outlets are just honeypots, anyway. Which is why they are so readily available. TOR and 8ch are both good examples of this.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by iooi »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #48

I am genuinely upset over this. And that is after CEO pinky swears he will not do it in the future. It will be that much easier to do it now that there is a precedent. I doubt he does not know it. I think.. I think I will be starting free speech focused entity. Like NRA. Laser focus. No restrictions on free speech of any kind. Ever. This may be the only thing to prevent US from losing its list of temporary priviledge…

Even CP? I don't think you've thought this all the way through.
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