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How would that help the situation?
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#32I’m old enough to remember when Howard Stern, as quaint as that seems today, was considered one of the greatest threats to civilization and had to be “de-platformed” before he could successfully destroy society - and the reasoning they used against him was _exactly_ the same as this reasoning: “he, himself (8chan, itself) is not going out and doing horrible things, but he’s encouraging people to go out and do horribl…
I think there's a pretty big gap between making dick jokes and encouraging mass murder.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
People are not fringe will tend to abandon sites that embrace people who are, even tacitly. Sites that create havens for them will naturally tend to become sites that consist almost solely of them.
That's been the status quo up until now, but it doesn't have to be. We're moving towards orwellian style censorship at a breakneck pace with SV leading the charge. Any violent thug can go spread their message in the town streets as long as they're not causing a disturbance. It doesn't happen very much, because it requires effort and it's sure to attract opposition. That opposition is necessary, like anti-bodies attac…
>> Any violent thug can go spread their message in the town streets as long as they're not causing a disturbance.
Are you saying that if person X goes out and starts calling for mass shootings to rid the world of Y, that they wouldn't be arrested?
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#34> Internet hate forum I wonder if they'd describe themselves that way.
This is why Facebook host their own servers... well not the only reason, but you could easily make the argument that Facebook is an "Internet hate forum" and should be shut down for failing to police their site.
No, not really, no. Facebook is a media company that has half-assed moderation because it's not profitable to them to be any better about it, and is mostly old ladies posting ancient memes and chain letters.
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#35The problem with 8chan is, it's not a cohesive whole. Each board is individually ran and the global moderators won't get involved unless it's content that's blatantly illegal. Not all boards there are the same. Not all the people there are the same. The problem is the hateful supremicists all congregate there. /pol/ is the board where most of them hang out. Other boards have nothing to do with politics and have completely different kinds of people that post there. There's even a /leftypol/ devoted to leftist politics that contains no white supremicists.
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How would that help the situation?
Just summing up the paradigm of needing to control the masses by preventing people from doing things that people will inevitably do. You can't stop people from talking.
You can stop people from talking publicly.
People will break and do harm to others, but having a vehicle to know what that harm might be in advance is invaluable.
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#37A lot of these mass shooters (and a number of serial killers) quote social Darwinism nonsense as inspiration. I wonder why that ideological portion is not being dealt with more. I hear social Darwinism ideas fairly frequently in everyday conversations with people, like casual lunch conversations.
So what makes them think that they are superior to others and it tips them in conducting mass shootings?
It's a twisted tautology. They are the ones shooting, which makes them in their mind the predator and superior being.
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#38I've generally been on the free speech side of this debate, as some of my previous comments on HN will show. With 8chan, I legitimately don't know what my opinion is. I've read it before, and I spent a few hours reading it this weekend, and it's beyond clear to me that it absolutely had the potential to radicalize shooters and terrorists. I'm not referring to the simple use of racial or ethnic slurs -- of course this…
8chan is a platform allowing any kind of legal content. Pol is just one of them. You also have technology and comic book discussion for example.
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#39I'm of the opinion that if we suppress it, it doesn't go away. When it comes back, it's much harder to control. I also firmly believe that everyone has biases and inclinations that are morally wrong. The sooner we learn how to deal with the "good guys" unfair biases, the sooner we can figure out how to deal with the "bad guys" too.
> I'm of the opinion that if we suppress it, it doesn't go away. When it comes back, it's much harder to control. The available evidence says the opposite is true. http://comp.social.gatech.edu/papers/cscw18-chand-hate.pdf The way to deal with the "bad guys" is for private businesses to not give them a platform to spew their hate from. And it's up to us to pressure these private businesses to do that.
The "bad guys" just went somewhere else. This doesn't fix the problem it just pushed the problem away from reddit.
> And it's up to us to pressure these private businesses to do that.
No it isn't. I am fed up of something I like being ruined by moral busy bodies such as yourself. My friend and I like the "edgy" jokes because we work in environments where you have to be political correct and I need to let off some steam.
8chan isn't the problem. The problem is that large portions of the population aren't engaged in society at large. The is a huge problem with loneliness, suicide and general lack of meaning to life.
Censorship and harassing companies that run image board won't fix the problem. All you will do it hide it.
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#40I guess you could say that free speech has limits that are acceptable. You know you can't yell fire in a crowded room and not get litigation and charges brought against you. So, maybe 8chan just ran past the fine line of hate speech vs encouraging acts of hate. I.e you can be racist but you cannot encourage acts of extremism. If 8Chan was a breeding ground for Islamic Extremists would people be okay with still existi…
>If 8Chan was a breeding ground for Islamic Extremists would people be okay with still existing?
Depends on whether those people support free speech or not.