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Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by gremlinsinc »

Why doesn't Apple et al let users know what they're sending and at least have a way to view and delete sensitive data before it's reviewed. Maybe store it online a month before it's reviewed and pop up a notification that you have Siri data queued for review. Most people would listen if it's something simple like directions would leave it but anything private they could remove.

Or have an audio queue when audio is being recorded some heartbeat like click so every few seconds while recording you hear a click and are like oh shit and can tell Siri not to send that recording.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

#122

Post by tmm84 »

Aloha wrote: post #31
bredren wrote: post #25

This may be tangential but I’m regularly amazed at how bad Siri is at basic things still. I’ll try to use it for things in front of guests on the HomePod and Siri is embarrassing half of the time

I've never quite gotten the allure of voice assistants myself, it just seems like a really frustrating way to use a computer.

I know several people who use voice assistants because of visual impairments. Touching, swiping and tapping is several times more harder with a visual impairment.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by romwell »

Symmetry wrote: post #79
schuke wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would bet it’s closer to 0.99% otherwise wouldn’t they have phrased it something like “slightly more than 0.1%” to make it sound smaller?

If I was talking to a reporter and the real number was .01% I would still say "less than 1%" to make sure I was properly understood. The whole reason we use percentages and say "one percent" instead of "point zero one" is that some people tend to get confused with decimals but not with integers. EDIT: And part of this is just how we say things. "Twenty" is just easier to parse in a conversation than "Two Oh" even tho…

"One in ten thousand" is clear enough for everyone though.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by dhimes »

pkroll wrote: post #101
dhimes wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I no longer see a way to turn Siri "off", only to not respond to "hey Siri" but rather the home button. Does this mean she's not listening unless I've activated, or is she listening anyway? (I can't seem to help anthropomorphizing Siri it seems...).

If you turn off all the options, you'll get a dialog that asks if you want to turn Siri off altogether. (As I just did.)

Excellent! Thank you. (They also promised to remove the info they use to analyze my requests from their servers).

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by droithomme »

matt-attack wrote: post #27
droithomme wrote: post #8

If Siri reviewers encounter evidence of certain crimes such as murder, sex trafficking, pedophilia, or domestic abuse, it is obvious they have a basic moral duty to report the crime and turn over the evidence to investigators.

As an aside, it’s highly ignorant to refer to pedophilia as a “crime”. Please be aware that pedophilia is not in fact a crime at all. It in fact refers to the attraction one had toward pre-pubescent children. Be aware that this is entirely different than being a child rapist. I assume you meant to say “child rapists” in your statement. In the same way it’s generally accepted that homosexuals and heterosexuals don’t c…

> The majority of pedophiles recognize that rape is wrong and would never consider it.

Thank you for your thoughtful comment, matt-attack. No one mentioned non-consensual sexual contact with a child. Do you believe that consensual sexual contact with a child is acceptable? I ask only because the phrasing of your argument possibly implies this. Thank you very much for your response/clarification.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by kdmccormick »

matt-attack wrote: post #115
kdmccormick wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Child rapist" is pretty specific. Consumption/distribution of CP is also heinous and harmful.

Why would consumption, production or distribution of synthesized CP be heinous? Who exactly is the victim?

Well, I was talking about CP in general, which you omitted entirely in your original post.

Specifically with synthesized CP, though, I could imagine that it's harming the consumer by feeding into their mental illness.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by throwanem »

matt-attack wrote: post #116
dao- wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One could say they’re “cursed” to be given that sexual preference they were born with. Were they, though? I did some light research for a university course many years ago and from what I understand/remember, many pedophiles were themselves abused in their childhood, which can really mess up a developing brain. Still cursed, just in a slightly different even more tragic way.

> Were they though? I suspect the propensity to rape is what is learned. I’d question whether the pure attraction is formed by the abuse you describe. We should recall those a decade ago, suggesting that homosexuality was a “disorder” needing to be cured. A disorder implying that it was caused by some incident. Clearly that line of thinking is outdated and offensive to many. Either way the source is of the attraction…

CSA survivor here. Can you fucking not?

Maybe you're even right, and there's no reason they should be reviled. But there's no reason they should be normalized, either. Not to themselves, not to anyone else.

Your comparison with homosexuality is false and invidious, because homosexuality exists among consenting adults and can therefore be expressed without harm. This is not true of pedophilia. Nor will it ever be. So your efforts at normalization cannot lead to anything other than an increased likelihood of harm. Having experienced that harm firsthand on multiple occasions, I have no problem whatsoever in saying that it is heinous to act in ways which make it more likely that others will suffer the same.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by matt-attack »

throwanem wrote: post #127
matt-attack wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Were they though? I suspect the propensity to rape is what is learned. I’d question whether the pure attraction is formed by the abuse you describe. We should recall those a decade ago, suggesting that homosexuality was a “disorder” needing to be cured. A disorder implying that it was caused by some incident. Clearly that line of thinking is outdated and offensive to many. Either way the source is of the attraction…

CSA survivor here. Can you fucking not? Maybe you're even right, and there's no reason they should be reviled. But there's no reason they should be normalized , either. Not to themselves, not to anyone else. Your comparison with homosexuality is false and invidious, because homosexuality exists among consenting adults and can therefore be expressed without harm. This is not true of pedophilia. Nor will it ever be. So…

> homosexuality exists among consenting adults

No it doesn't. I'm gay, and I could be on a desert island with not a soul in sight, or I could be the last man alive on planet Earth and I will still be gay. I do not need anyone else to have my identity. This is because homosexuality is a trait of one person and his/her attraction. I am attracted to men whether or not there is a consenting man present on the planet.

Just like you may be heterosexual but never have a date in your life. Not being able to attract a partner does not cause you to change who you're attracted to. One does have to stop calling oneself heterosexual just because they're ugly and no one will go out with them. You see? There is no consent. Because there isn't anyone else.

You've missed the entire point of my post. It's this: One's attraction needs to be de-coupled from the sex that a person may or may not partake in. You've conflated attraction and the act of sex.

Pedophilia is about the former not the latter.

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by throwanem »

matt-attack wrote: post #128
throwanem wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CSA survivor here. Can you fucking not? Maybe you're even right, and there's no reason they should be reviled. But there's no reason they should be normalized , either. Not to themselves, not to anyone else. Your comparison with homosexuality is false and invidious, because homosexuality exists among consenting adults and can therefore be expressed without harm. This is not true of pedophilia. Nor will it ever be. So…

> homosexuality exists among consenting adults No it doesn't. I'm gay, and I could be on a desert island with not a soul in sight, or I could be the last man alive on planet Earth and I will still be gay. I do not need anyone else to have my identity. This is because homosexuality is a trait of one person and his/her attraction. I am attracted to men whether or not there is a consenting man present on the planet. Jus…

Even granting everything you've just said, which I do only for the sake of argument, I see no good end to normalizing the idea that even pedophilia qua attraction, as you have it, is in any way okay.

Sure, I can see where that'd be a cross to bear. Bearing it in public silence, with the support of others who share your affliction and are willing to offer understanding, seems like a strongly preferable option. I don't understand what you hope to gain by this crusade, and I am unconcerned with whatever judgment you may make of me for saying that I doubt the rectitude of your motives in pursuing it. Even the people who molested me never argued to anyone that the urge which helped move them to do so wasn't a problem. They'd be as horrified and disgusted as I am to hear you argue that it's not. They were ashamed not only of what they'd done, but also of why they'd done it. They should have been, too. But even after what they did to me, I have more respect for them than for you.

(I'm gay, too. Don't conflate that with this. We had enough problems being associated with NAMBLA through big-tent naïveté back decades ago, and no one will thank you or think well of you for arguing we should make the same damnfool mistake another time.)

Re: Siri records fights, doctor’s appointments, and sex, and contractors hear it

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Post by dragonwriter »

throwanem wrote: post #129
matt-attack wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> homosexuality exists among consenting adults No it doesn't. I'm gay, and I could be on a desert island with not a soul in sight, or I could be the last man alive on planet Earth and I will still be gay. I do not need anyone else to have my identity. This is because homosexuality is a trait of one person and his/her attraction. I am attracted to men whether or not there is a consenting man present on the planet. Jus…

Even granting everything you've just said, which I do only for the sake of argument, I see no good end to normalizing the idea that even pedophilia qua attraction, as you have it, is in any way okay . Sure, I can see where that'd be a cross to bear. Bearing it in public silence, with the support of others who share your affliction and are willing to offer understanding, seems like a strongly preferable option. I don'…

> I see no good end to normalizing the idea that even pedophilia qua attraction, as you have it, is in any way okay.

Just as with drug and alcohol addiction, destigmatizing the condition as a moral failing removes a barrier to acknowledgement and seeking (and continuing) treatment, which reduces the likelihood and severity of the condition producing socially harmful behaviors.

In the case of pedophilia, I think that's a pretty big win, but obviously that's a matter of the relative priority of expressing moral revulsion compared to preventing harmful action.

> They were ashamed not only of what they'd done, but also of why they'd done it.

Clearly that shame associated with the orientation didn't do any good in preventing the harmful action, so maybe it's worth considering whether the stigma around the orientation is useful or counterproductive. “People feel shane about having pedophilic orientation but still go out and molest children” doesn't seem to me to be as compelling an argument as you seem to think it is for the social utility of the stigma it references.

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