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Re: Cancer patients are being denied drugs, even with prescriptions and insurance

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Post by mnm1 » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 1:32 AM UTC

masonic wrote: post #146

mnm1 wrote: post #93

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In that case the pharmacy might not be a problem but the doctors will delay the tests for cancer even for existing cancer patients allowing a relapse to grow unchecked for months to save Kaiser money. That's what happened to a friend of mine. So fucked regardless just to save some money.

This is a ludicrous concept. Cancer treatment is cheaper the earlier the diagnosis.

Tell that to my friend who had already been diagnosed with cancer, was in remission, and had his cancer return undetected for months because Kaiser wouldn't run the tests. He thinks it's ridiculous too.

Re: Cancer patients are being denied drugs, even with prescriptions and insurance

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Post by IanDrake » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 1:10 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #81

IanDrake wrote: post #62

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Examples of prodects created by government run medical R&D?

A pop-sci list: https://www.med-technews.com/features/the-nhs-at-70-inventio... 1949: Intra-occular lens 1958: ultrasound for obstetrics 1962: total hip replacement 1978: test tube baby 1986: combined heart, liver, lung transplant 1991: robotic surgery 2000: gene therapy for children with no immune system 2013: bionic hand There are lots more.

At best those examples are misleading.

The article ignores the R&D which often happened at private institutions and cherry pics the first use or minor refinement that occurred at a government facility.

Re: Cancer patients are being denied drugs, even with prescriptions and insurance

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Post by someguydave » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 9:26 PM UTC

ShroudedNight wrote: post #92

someguydave wrote: post #65

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The only fair way to distribute rare goods is to the highest bidder

This is landing squarely in Poe's law territory. Notwithstanding, this is only possibly true under a model where everyone initially has equal opportunity. A weak requirement that is almost certainly insufficient, and yet one we have already failed miserably at.

Distribution of rare goods and services to the highest bidder is fair because it puts everyone on an even playing field with the same rules. What other method of distribution achieves this?

Re: Cancer patients are being denied drugs, even with prescriptions and insurance

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Post by NotSammyHagar » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 12:53 AM UTC

hestipod wrote: post #90

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #80

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At best this is an uncommon opinion. I work with a dual citizen republican from Canada. He was almost swayed to your view until he actually used the us health system. We have good us Corp healthcare, & now he says it's similar to ca. He was wondering what would happen if he got hurt and lost coverage in the us.

I can tell him exactly what happens. You are priced out of the "privilege" of healthcare. You try to make do. Manage as you can with your savings, work you can get and maintain, as the effects of the medical issue continue to limit every aspect of your life and get worse with age and time. The normal decline of age is amplified as a result and your options to earn are further restricted. Eventually there is no way to…

That's a horrible thing to face and we need to do better in the us. My mom faced a similar situation. It's beyond stupid and horrible that almost every adult is one accident away from falling into this trip, yet we stubbornly persist in this as desirable.