If 8chan is really committed to some kind of free speech absolutism, it makes me wonder why they removed the offending posts.
8chan's owner allows free speech.
The admin of each board can moderate as he pleases.
‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
NYT's "The Daily" podcast discussed this a little over a year ago in response to the Parkland shooting, and I found it to be quite insightful. I believe it was this episode, but I could be wrong[0]. A major factor impeding law enforcement is the sheer number of people posting violent threats on social media. I can't remember the statistic, but they mentioned that the US justice system basically wouldn't be able to ef…
You could probably just make an example out of a couple of particularly bad threats every 3 months and reduce the number of threats significantly with that. The question is what does that actually achieve? A couple of people will simply turn to Tor or similar services, while others might post less but still kill people. It might rob law enforcement of the ability to develop some sort of system that can sort through t…
I doubt that would change much.
And law enforcement does thwart these kinds of attacks on a fairly regular basis, we just don’t hear about them as much. The same day that El Paso occurred, the FBI arrested a kid in Lubbock who was trying to obtain an assault weapon with the intent to perpetrate a mass shooting[0]. It’s not like the feds are totally incapable.
Like it or not, relying on sigint from social media isn’t going to stop many of these attacks. 8chan is full of trolls who parrot off one another, there’s just no reliable way to determine who’s just trolling and who is serious.
Our gun laws and the purchasing loopholes that exist desperately need to be addressed.
0: https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Feds-Texas-man-planning-ma...
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#53So literally everyone so much as reading 8chan/pol is on a watchlist, right? And what about the people posting they are about to “go kill as many brown people as they can find and they plan on being dead by the end of the day?” It’s a felony terroristic threat. How about we just arrest everyone posting terroristic threats before they can do this kind of damage? 8Chan, or whatever public forum these discussions are oc…
There simply aren't enough FBI agents let alone competent ones. If you go to /sudo/ right now you can see Codemonkey's post on a report they received which was given to them as a scan of a print of a screenshot of a threat they wanted to investigate and it took an entire week for them to send it over by which point the post was long gone.
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#54So literally everyone so much as reading 8chan/pol is on a watchlist, right? And what about the people posting they are about to “go kill as many brown people as they can find and they plan on being dead by the end of the day?” It’s a felony terroristic threat. How about we just arrest everyone posting terroristic threats before they can do this kind of damage? 8Chan, or whatever public forum these discussions are oc…
>I keep reading about blimps watching us 24/7, license plate readers tracking everywhere we drive. It's almost as if this "surveillance state" you all imagine doesn't exist. There are checks in place and warrants needed for this. If you see something illegal online you could report it to the FBI perhaps?
The surveillance state very much exists, it's just extremely incompetent.
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I agree, but I'm still surprised at cloudflares decision. If I'm hosting some content, I now have to worry about if my content might violate their opinions of 'tastelessness', and if so, I might be given 24 hours to leave. If I were a customer, that's a small risk but a big impact. I'd prefer a provider that didn't do that.
In the two cases where CloudFlare has done this to date they seem to draw the line at murder. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Do you think any other provider you may do business with has a more liberal policy than CloudFlare? Have you actually read the terms of service for any of them? If this is the thing that changes how you view CloudFlare then you are already on shaky ground.
Did you call for Comedy Central to be shut down after Larry Wilmore said:“I don’t want to give [Trump] any more oxygen. That’s not a euphemism, by the way. I mean it literally."
Or after the shootings of Congresspeople, arguably inspired by all the celebrities calling for violence?
Or is your outrage (and CloudFlare's) partisan?
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Historically very little speech could be made without social consequences, the internet broke that paradigm
I think these two posts just about sum up the state of things and our disagreements at this time in history as succinctly as I could imagine.
The question I keep asking is, how do we add those social consequences back into internet speech, without massive regulation, this I do not know the answer to yet.
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#57I' am celebrating right now...
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#58Is there a way to read the NY Times? I can't be incognito, or in guest mode, and Outline says "not supported". Same shit with LA Times and the WP.
Disable JS.
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Historically they put on white hoods and gathered in person, the internet only changed the game for relatively small but geographically dispersed groups. I wouldn't be surprised if this type of person still met predominantly IRL and 8chan is mostly a few loners, it tends to net be the most tech literate bunch of people.
The 'only' there is doing a lot of work. I don't have a citation for this, but my feeling is that historically, the majority of the people posting hate on social media aired their fringe views in much smaller and more direct social settings (the family dinner table, the pub, their barber/hairdresser) where instead of the reinforcement and gratification of many random upvotes from people in a similar situation or a vi…
I think you've got the causation backwards, most people don't start off with extreme views, they start off far more moderate until they account their extremist group. Once they're in that group the become part of the self reinforcing bubble.
> How much more effort would you have to put in to locate a similarly sized group of like-minded people who vehemently confirm and reinforce your views than you would now?
That will be highly variable, but IME not too hard. The punk/metal scene used to have a lot of overlap with neo nazis so exposure was easy. I've twice been invited to migtow groups from people at my local drinking hole (a progressive club in a progressive inner city area), not to mention some other fringe but less violent groups. If your a social type of person that enjoys chatting with a wide range of people your often only one or two steps away.
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4chan didn't create it, 4chan was created for speech that wasn't allowed on somethingawful, and before that there was ogrish and before that rotten.com & stileproject, before that? Probably alt.tasteless.
> 4chan didn't create it, 4chan was created for speech that wasn't allowed on somethingawful 4chan was created by somethingawful users as an imitation of Japanese imageboards. It was used for speech that wasn't allowed on SA because it was right next door. Then SA decided it didn't like 4chan. Then SA's culture spread to magazines like Gawker and Buzzfeed, which is part of the reason 4chan is so unpopular now. If Gaw…
Yeah no, drawing this as a online pissing match between two groups in some 'culture war' doesn't hold water when one side is fucking murdering people in a walmart, sorry.