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Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by dinofacedude » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 5:12 AM UTC

NikkiA wrote: post #26

kennywinker wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t the story that all this crap was on 4chan, and then 8chan was created because 4chan started cracking down on this kinda stuff. It may be argued that 4chan’s existence gave a home to this crap, or that it created it. Hard to know one way or another.

4chan didn't create it, 4chan was created for speech that wasn't allowed on somethingawful, and before that there was ogrish and before that rotten.com & stileproject, before that? Probably alt.tasteless.

Jeez, internet history is a rabbit hole.

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by flukus » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 5:26 AM UTC

Aloha wrote: post #19

Simulacra wrote: post #18

It’s a distasteful site but I think it should stay. No speech should be silenced.

Historically very little speech could be made without social consequences, the internet broke that paradigm

Historically they put on white hoods and gathered in person, the internet only changed the game for relatively small but geographically dispersed groups. I wouldn't be surprised if this type of person still met predominantly IRL and 8chan is mostly a few loners, it tends to net be the most tech literate bunch of people.

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by solveit » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 5:35 AM UTC

dinofacedude wrote: post #28

zaroth wrote: post #4

So literally everyone so much as reading 8chan/pol is on a watchlist, right? And what about the people posting they are about to “go kill as many brown people as they can find and they plan on being dead by the end of the day?” It’s a felony terroristic threat. How about we just arrest everyone posting terroristic threats before they can do this kind of damage? 8Chan, or whatever public forum these discussions are oc…

>So literally everyone so much as reading 8chan/pol is on a watchlist, right? Well, crap. When I heard the news I decided to pay 8chan a visit (never really been there before) to see how they took the news(not surprisingly, not well). I really hope I am not on a list because of this.

>When I heard the news I decided to pay 8chan a visit

You and a million others. You'll be fine.

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by kwesthaus » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 5:37 AM UTC

NikkiA wrote: post #27

Alex3917 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's almost as if this "surveillance state" you all imagine doesn't exist. How do you imagine that billing for EZ Pass and license plate scanners works?

EZ-Pass is RFID based, it doesn't use license plate scanning but a transponder you have to have in your car (typically it's affixed to the windshield, but it doesn't need be)

I've spoken to the Chef Technology Manager and the Chief Executive Director of E-ZPass for some research I did with their system [0] and confirmed that it is not 100% reliant solely on the transponders, and that they do use license plate readers as well.

[0] https://github.com/kwesthaus/ez-sniff

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by tomp » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 6:18 AM UTC

hestipod wrote: post #2

What is a workable answer when it comes to behavior and speech other than a rules based society with limits? I don't see truly oppressed people talking about this problem as the concept was meant to protect, I see people who want to be allowed to do and say whatever they feel like despite how it affects innocents. They hijack the intent for nefarious purpose. It's proven over and over that bad people abuse and take o…

I don’t see why it wouldn’t work online though. I think platforms like Twitter should adopt a “filter-list” like approach, where you could “unsubscribe” from different kinds of content / posters (e.g. “porn”, “gore”, “right-wing extremists”, “sci-fi enthusiasts”, etc.) - these lists could be generated both automatically (e.g. for porn), and / or manually moderated.

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by bmurphy1976 » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 6:27 AM UTC

NikkiA wrote: post #27

Alex3917 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's almost as if this "surveillance state" you all imagine doesn't exist. How do you imagine that billing for EZ Pass and license plate scanners works?

EZ-Pass is RFID based, it doesn't use license plate scanning but a transponder you have to have in your car (typically it's affixed to the windshield, but it doesn't need be)

How do you think they bill you when you drive through the system without a transponder?

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by bmurphy1976 » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 6:33 AM UTC

api wrote: post #25

kpU8efre7r wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I keep reading about blimps watching us 24/7, license plate readers tracking everywhere we drive. It's almost as if this "surveillance state" you all imagine doesn't exist. There are checks in place and warrants needed for this. If you see something illegal online you could report it to the FBI perhaps?

The data is gathered but it's so much that any signal is drowned in noise. You either spend billions investigating hundreds of thousands of idiots spewing shit on the Internet or you miss "that one." There is no middle really.

Yes there is a middle. It's a cultural problem. Too many people get away with it. By spending some money and cracking down on it it would remind people this isn't acceptable behavior and change the culture. Once the culture is changed it becomes easier to focus on the real threats. We don't need to throw everybody in jail, but a fine here and there (ala speeding tickets) would go a long way to reminding people that this kind of behavior is wrong.

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by bmurphy1976 » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 6:41 AM UTC

Simulacra wrote: post #18

It’s a distasteful site but I think it should stay. No speech should be silenced.

You can say whatever you want, but I am under no obligation to (a) listen to it or (b) help deliver it to the masses. That is why I agree that providers such as CloudFlare (should) have the ability to refuse to host content such as this.

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by anthony_doan » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 6:50 AM UTC

Aloha wrote: post #19

Simulacra wrote: post #18

It’s a distasteful site but I think it should stay. No speech should be silenced.

Historically very little speech could be made without social consequences, the internet broke that paradigm

Yep, agreed.

You can hide behind a username and say hateful things without any consequences.

Re: ‘Shut the Site Down,’ Says 8chan’s Creator

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Post by belorn » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 7:24 AM UTC

chkaloon wrote: post #24

save_ferris wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYT's "The Daily" podcast discussed this a little over a year ago in response to the Parkland shooting, and I found it to be quite insightful. I believe it was this episode, but I could be wrong[0]. A major factor impeding law enforcement is the sheer number of people posting violent threats on social media. I can't remember the statistic, but they mentioned that the US justice system basically wouldn't be able to ef…

They don't need to process all of them, just a relatively small number of public examples.

Sweden has a reality TV show whit that very premise and it is called trollhunters. They choose a hate comment and then proceed to locate and confront the author. When done they also sometimes help the target of the hate, by example helping them filling a police report.

The show is followed with vigilantist justice as the people they locate usually end up receiving a lot of harassment from the public, and the benefit of making examples of people has not had any effect in decreasing hate messages online.

An interesting side note is that when you actually go after hate messages online, the gender stereotype of young male start to melt and you get a new stereotype. It is people with a lot of free time and who feel ignored by society. A typical example is thus middle age women.

However turning that hate towards going on a killing spree is unlikely for a middle age woman even if they say things like "someone should go down there and kill everyone", so there is a high rate of noise-to-massacre.