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Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

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Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

#101
There seems to be some confusion about the point of the article... The point is to, using the example of Activision Blizzard, point out how tax is avoided. For example, with the use of royalty payments.

The title of the original article actually includes a prepended "How", which illustrates that it is primarily about the specific mechanisms of tax avoidance.

Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

#102
post #99

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Few people do. Most people attempt to fill out their returns in a rather straightforward manner as laid out by the forms. The loopholes are not published in the tax forms.

I don’t think it’s a few. Did you put money in a 401k? Did you buy a house and calculate the tax deduction? Did you hold onto a stock so you’d get the lower long term capital gains rate? Did you contribute to an HSA or FSA? The majority of people make decisions that optimize their tax rate.

If you think minimizing your tax rate starts and ends with line items on the 1040, you are not minimizing your tax rate.

Not by a long shot.

Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

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post #22
post #6

It's downright ridiculous to complain about companies taking perfectly legal steps to reduce their tax burden. As the oft-quoted US judge Learned Hand said: > Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is…

Often with complex tax schemes we don't know if they're legal or not because they haven't been tested in courts. Some governments focus on low-hanging fruit or on flagrant tax evasion. They don't want a long running court case costing millions with an uncertain outcome. So we never get to find out whether this scheme is legal avoidance or illegal evasion. But, even if it's legal avoidance: I pay my tax. Why shouldn't…

So, what exactly stops the politicians from writing simple and clear tax laws?

It wouldn’t be hard for the lawmakers to eliminate this uncertainty, they just want to remain competitive.

Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

#104
post #72

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Not really, it's simply indicative of a disagreement. wrong tends to suggest tax fraud.

I think you're being a little consciously naive. Choosing not to prosecute (especially because prosecuting tax fraud requires proof of willfulness) and simply collecting a tax deficit is pretty common, especially in cases of corporate tax evasion. The disagreement in this case is called a tax deficit, and is what I meant by wrong. It's also the first necessary part of tax fraud. EDIT: Also, if you read about the sour…

If it was a problem with “clear phrasing” it’d be called tax fraud, no?

Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

#105
post #39

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> The company is currently under investigation by tax authorities in the UK, Sweden and France over alleged transfer pricing irregularities and is is facing a potential bill of over $1.1bn in back taxes and penalties. > In the United States, Activision Blizzard has recently settled a transfer pricing dispute with tax authorities for $345m. Maybe not so legal?

Hard to say before the courts decide. I've personally been through such disputes with tax authorities and prevailed.

Cool story, pr!ck.

Seems like you favour your own opinion before legal opinion.

F!ck you you little mercenary.

Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

#106
post #6

It's downright ridiculous to complain about companies taking perfectly legal steps to reduce their tax burden. As the oft-quoted US judge Learned Hand said: > Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is…

No it's not. That's how change happens. It's still perfectly legal to destroy the environment in many ways, it doesn't mean we can't complain about it. If we don't talk about it, nothing happens.

No one designed the environment to be destroyed. But tax laws are often designed precisely to incentivize people to behave in a certain way. If we raise taxes on cigarettes, and then people smoke less, and tax revenue goes down, does anyone complain? Of course not; that's why we raised taxes on cigarettes.

Now sometimes you have tax laws that are poorly designed, where we don't like what happens when people follow the incentives they create. Or other times you have tax laws where people debated about what things to incentivize, and one side won the debate, and you might be on the other side. It's perfectly fair to want to change them. But it doesn't really make sense to criticize people for responding to incentives per se.

Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

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post #6

It's downright ridiculous to complain about companies taking perfectly legal steps to reduce their tax burden. As the oft-quoted US judge Learned Hand said: > Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is…

No it's not. That's how change happens. It's still perfectly legal to destroy the environment in many ways, it doesn't mean we can't complain about it. If we don't talk about it, nothing happens.

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Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

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post #25
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't with the corporations, the problem (if it exists at all!) may be with the legislation. Complain about the law. E: CogitoCogito is absolutely right, there are companies spending lots of money around the world to push these regulations. I just seriously doubt that Activision Blizzard is one of these.

Who do you think lobbies for such laws?

Politicians don’t have to listen to lobbyists. The blame lies with politicians.

Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

#109
post #6

It's downright ridiculous to complain about companies taking perfectly legal steps to reduce their tax burden. As the oft-quoted US judge Learned Hand said: > Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is…

The players of the video games made by Activision-Blizzard complain every day about trivial and inconsequential aspects of the products and how they play. We don't say about them, "oh, but that is just the way the game is made, you should adapt to it." They are systems of rules akin to law enforced with computer code, designed, among other things, to demonstrate superior player skill, and one of the most common sources of player complaint is that they reward "wrong" skills that are not part of the competitive premise.

I say, if players are right to complain about rewarding the wrong skill in the games, the public is right to complain about business being rewarded for their tax evasion skills.

Re: Activision Blizzard has moved billions of dollars of profit into tax havens

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being a little consciously naive. Choosing not to prosecute (especially because prosecuting tax fraud requires proof of willfulness) and simply collecting a tax deficit is pretty common, especially in cases of corporate tax evasion. The disagreement in this case is called a tax deficit, and is what I meant by wrong. It's also the first necessary part of tax fraud. EDIT: Also, if you read about the sour…

If it was a problem with “clear phrasing” it’d be called tax fraud, no?

I think in regards to OP, it'd only be called tax fraud if it was prosecuted criminally, regardless of the phrasing.
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