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Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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There is no way the average lifespan is only 100-200 miles. That would make the cost per mile 2-3 dollars which is completely unrealistic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1561654/how-long-does-a-... “The average vehicle went 163.2 miles over 92 trips during its lifetime” https://www.theinformation.com/articles/hit-by-big-loss-bird... They lost $100 million on 40 million in revenue.

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Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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Just buy your own e-scooter or electric unicycle. Solves most of these issues and takes stress off of existing public transit (not to mention personal electric transit is almost always faster than public transit during rush-hour).

They're also useful for 'last km' transport, like getting to and from the train station. The smaller ones can also be taken on the bus or subway.

Do you know of any smaller/lighter e-scooters that are easily hand carried and durable? The typical Bird/Lime look a bit heavy for carrying into an office or up to an apartment. I've searched online, but most look like sketchy Chinese stuff, so I'm a bit concerned about longevity and parts availability.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're also useful for 'last km' transport, like getting to and from the train station. The smaller ones can also be taken on the bus or subway.

Do you know of any smaller/lighter e-scooters that are easily hand carried and durable? The typical Bird/Lime look a bit heavy for carrying into an office or up to an apartment. I've searched online, but most look like sketchy Chinese stuff, so I'm a bit concerned about longevity and parts availability.

Weight is weight of course, but I've seen ones where they fold up so that you pull it behind you on one of its wheels, like one of those rolling suitcases.

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The scooters have very poor durability. They're lasting on the order of 100-200 miles in rental fleets. The study actually underestimates this effect and assumes that they last about 5x longer than they empirically do. Bird and the scooter manufacturers are trying to address this by making beefier scooters that don't fold with bigger batteries, but the abuse they take in a dockless rental fleet and from having such s…

There is no way the average lifespan is only 100-200 miles. That would make the cost per mile 2-3 dollars which is completely unrealistic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTbOvFt_Gwo

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're also useful for 'last km' transport, like getting to and from the train station. The smaller ones can also be taken on the bus or subway.

Do you know of any smaller/lighter e-scooters that are easily hand carried and durable? The typical Bird/Lime look a bit heavy for carrying into an office or up to an apartment. I've searched online, but most look like sketchy Chinese stuff, so I'm a bit concerned about longevity and parts availability.

eMicro escooters are light and pretty powerful, but range is not the best.

Egret escooters have better range but are heavier.

Both brands are well built and durable, but not cheap.

I've had my Egret 10 for over a year, use it every day on rough roads with heavy loads and it's held up nicely. I did break the trigger going over a pothole, but was able to fix it myself. Otherwise only changed the back tire and brake pads (standard parts).

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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Shared electric scooters are undoubtedly pretty damned dirty, due to the very short working life of the scooter and the fuel use in collecting and returning the scooters.

Owning an electric scooter looks pretty damned clean - ~200kg/CO2e to manufacture the scooter, plus 0 - 300g to generate enough electricity to charge the battery.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

#28
Prior discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20597711

Something I pointed out yesterday is that these articles are focusing on greenhouse gases. We still have a major pollution problem in large cities. Reducing this alone makes scooters worth it, IMHO.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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"the materials it took to manufacture the frame, wheels and battery" How is this worse than a moped? Silly article.

The scooters have very poor durability. They're lasting on the order of 100-200 miles in rental fleets. The study actually underestimates this effect and assumes that they last about 5x longer than they empirically do. Bird and the scooter manufacturers are trying to address this by making beefier scooters that don't fold with bigger batteries, but the abuse they take in a dockless rental fleet and from having such s…

I have one that has 1000 miles and it looks like new. And just because they put under engineered scooters on the streets doesn't mean they are more polluting than a regular moped.
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