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Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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Just buy your own e-scooter or electric unicycle. Solves most of these issues and takes stress off of existing public transit (not to mention personal electric transit is almost always faster than public transit during rush-hour).

They're also useful for 'last km' transport, like getting to and from the train station.

The smaller ones can also be taken on the bus or subway.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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post #5

Just buy your own e-scooter or electric unicycle. Solves most of these issues and takes stress off of existing public transit (not to mention personal electric transit is almost always faster than public transit during rush-hour).

> Just buy your own e-scooter or electric unicycle ...or stick with either a (kick) scooter or standard bicycle? Definitely better for the environment and almost certainly better for your health, too.

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Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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post #5

Just buy your own e-scooter or electric unicycle. Solves most of these issues and takes stress off of existing public transit (not to mention personal electric transit is almost always faster than public transit during rush-hour).

> Just buy your own e-scooter or electric unicycle ...or stick with either a (kick) scooter or standard bicycle? Definitely better for the environment and almost certainly better for your health, too.

It might be better for your health, or it might be totally unrealistic given the state of your health.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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"...traveling by scooter produces more greenhouse gas emissions per mile than traveling by bus, bicycle, moped or on foot" I can't find the source study - but even so I'd have to see some caveats on bus + moped (2 cycle are brutal pollution wise). I know there's a lot of hate for e-scooters, but I really like them. They're a nice transportation option that supplants taking uber/lyft in many cases and definitely an im…

There are situations where I've considered using an e-scooter because existing infrastructure is insufficient or just plain unreliable. If a bus or two or three are cancelled and I'm really frustrated, even a car seems like a great solution, regardless of environmental cost. E-scooters seem like a decent alternative (depending on how reliable and environmentally friendly they actually are). I'd even consider buying my own, but it seems Germany is lagging behind in allowing e-scooters in public (the only two models that are purchasable that are also street legal cost 2000+ Euros).

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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post #6

"the materials it took to manufacture the frame, wheels and battery" How is this worse than a moped? Silly article.

The scooters have very poor durability. They're lasting on the order of 100-200 miles in rental fleets. The study actually underestimates this effect and assumes that they last about 5x longer than they empirically do. Bird and the scooter manufacturers are trying to address this by making beefier scooters that don't fold with bigger batteries, but the abuse they take in a dockless rental fleet and from having such s…

That's the game of these companies. Scale first and figure out all of the problems. Of course, there will be waste as that gets sorted out but there is economic incentive to reduce waste (as long as it is a cost).

More broadly, this is how capitalism works. Capital is allocated relatively efficiently but there is a lot of failure and waste inherent in the competitive process.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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"...traveling by scooter produces more greenhouse gas emissions per mile than traveling by bus, bicycle, moped or on foot" I can't find the source study - but even so I'd have to see some caveats on bus + moped (2 cycle are brutal pollution wise). I know there's a lot of hate for e-scooters, but I really like them. They're a nice transportation option that supplants taking uber/lyft in many cases and definitely an im…

And using a scooter instead of a car means traveling far fewer miles and covering far fewer square miles of your land in car parks, so other people don't have to travel as far either.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scooters have very poor durability. They're lasting on the order of 100-200 miles in rental fleets. The study actually underestimates this effect and assumes that they last about 5x longer than they empirically do. Bird and the scooter manufacturers are trying to address this by making beefier scooters that don't fold with bigger batteries, but the abuse they take in a dockless rental fleet and from having such s…

There is no way the average lifespan is only 100-200 miles. That would make the cost per mile 2-3 dollars which is completely unrealistic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1561654/how-long-does-a-...

“The average vehicle went 163.2 miles over 92 trips during its lifetime”

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/hit-by-big-loss-bird...

They lost $100 million on 40 million in revenue.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scooters have very poor durability. They're lasting on the order of 100-200 miles in rental fleets. The study actually underestimates this effect and assumes that they last about 5x longer than they empirically do. Bird and the scooter manufacturers are trying to address this by making beefier scooters that don't fold with bigger batteries, but the abuse they take in a dockless rental fleet and from having such s…

There is no way the average lifespan is only 100-200 miles. That would make the cost per mile 2-3 dollars which is completely unrealistic.

No, because you're assuming a zero-sum game or even profits. It's widely known that these e-scooter companies are eating a ton of losses right now as they figure things out.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scooters have very poor durability. They're lasting on the order of 100-200 miles in rental fleets. The study actually underestimates this effect and assumes that they last about 5x longer than they empirically do. Bird and the scooter manufacturers are trying to address this by making beefier scooters that don't fold with bigger batteries, but the abuse they take in a dockless rental fleet and from having such s…

There is no way the average lifespan is only 100-200 miles. That would make the cost per mile 2-3 dollars which is completely unrealistic.

> That would make the cost per mile 2-3 dollars which is completely unrealistic.

That's why you spend billions of dollars of VC money.

Re: Electric scooters aren't as eco-friendly as they seem, study finds

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scooters have very poor durability. They're lasting on the order of 100-200 miles in rental fleets. The study actually underestimates this effect and assumes that they last about 5x longer than they empirically do. Bird and the scooter manufacturers are trying to address this by making beefier scooters that don't fold with bigger batteries, but the abuse they take in a dockless rental fleet and from having such s…

There is no way the average lifespan is only 100-200 miles. That would make the cost per mile 2-3 dollars which is completely unrealistic.

I don't know about scooters, but I'm in a city with a lot of Lime bikes. I spent a few weeks commuting to work using them and each day was a roll of the dice to see if the bike I got was going to be functional.

I don't know what's wrong with some people but apparently "drive it like you stole it" also applies to "rented it". Based on how a lot of those bikes look—and this is while Lime is actively maintaining and culling the fleet and—it seems many users end their ride by leaping off the bikes in mid sprint and letting it crash into whatever, sometimes punctuated with an angry kick or maybe smearing a little dirt and food into the seat and basket.

It's completely careless use that raises the ecological and economic price of these ride shares. If people were less shitty, they'd be way better in every respect.

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