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Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by turndown » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 7:44 PM UTC

hprotagonist wrote: post #7

Note that the black vape on the right in the photo is very much unlike the other two. It’s a dry herb cannabis vaporizer —- oddly, one of the very few that’s a certified medical device. (it’s a storz and bickel crafty) There’s a vast difference between concentrate/ejuice/distillate vapes and something like a crafty. It would be nice if the two categories of vapes could be separated more cleanly when discussing health…

IIRC the crafty itself is not medically certified but S&B at one time did have a medically certified version.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by martey » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 7:54 PM UTC

swebs wrote: post #8

Is there a better source than Gizmodo? It's basically a tabloid

The very first link in the article is the original source - a press release from Wisconsin's Department of Health: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/news/releases/080219.htm

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by Hasknewbie » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 7:55 PM UTC

buttcoinslol wrote: post #2

They likely got a bad batch of THC cartridges, there's a ton of black market ones going around all over, with who knows what in them. Millions of people use nicotine vaporizers daily with no ill effects.

A recent study here in Europe as found that some low-quality CBD e-liquids contain traces of solvent (used to extract said CBD) that are above safety level and may trigger adverse reaction in vapers. I assume THC e-liquid goes through the same sort of process and may have the same issue.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by tapland » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

Hasknewbie wrote: post #13

buttcoinslol wrote: post #2

They likely got a bad batch of THC cartridges, there's a ton of black market ones going around all over, with who knows what in them. Millions of people use nicotine vaporizers daily with no ill effects.

A recent study here in Europe as found that some low-quality CBD e-liquids contain traces of solvent (used to extract said CBD) that are above safety level and may trigger adverse reaction in vapers. I assume THC e-liquid goes through the same sort of process and may have the same issue.

I would love it if you had a link to that study. A relative of mine is on the lookout for CBD oils and I said I'd help find what there is.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by exogeny » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories:

1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy

2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone

3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe

You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel attacked, or you’re a smug dick (3) that trivializes addiction.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by Quanttek » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 8:04 PM UTC

hprotagonist wrote: post #7

Note that the black vape on the right in the photo is very much unlike the other two. It’s a dry herb cannabis vaporizer —- oddly, one of the very few that’s a certified medical device. (it’s a storz and bickel crafty) There’s a vast difference between concentrate/ejuice/distillate vapes and something like a crafty. It would be nice if the two categories of vapes could be separated more cleanly when discussing health…

Agreed but I wouldn't try to infer from a stock photo to the substance of the story. The vast majority of vapes used, especially those by young adults and teens, are not black vapes.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by Hasknewbie » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

tapland wrote: post #14

Hasknewbie wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A recent study here in Europe as found that some low-quality CBD e-liquids contain traces of solvent (used to extract said CBD) that are above safety level and may trigger adverse reaction in vapers. I assume THC e-liquid goes through the same sort of process and may have the same issue.

I would love it if you had a link to that study. A relative of mine is on the lookout for CBD oils and I said I'd help find what there is.

I don't have a direct link to the study, but this is from the BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-48950483):

"The researchers also found the presence in seven products of the solvent dichloromethane, which can cause wheezing and shortness of breath, at levels above food safety limits."

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by Havoc » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 8:17 PM UTC

meh. Inhaling a bunch of chemicals was always gonna be a roll of the dice.

Better question is whether it's more dangerous than smokes cause people will want their nicotine fix one way or the other

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by agumonkey » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 8:17 PM UTC

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

on my side it's mostly that studies only cover a few kind of liquids.. and still no regulation came out to only sell safe ones.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by adtac » Sat, Aug 03, 2019, 8:18 PM UTC

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

>What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe

I don't see anything wrong with the second part of that statement. Of course, the first part comes across as being an pretentious twat, but it's important to remind people who actually believe vapes are perfectly safe and can do no harm.