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Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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This is why many Americans won’t give their guns away. Imagine (not saying it would be a good outcome), but what Hong Kong would be like right now if all citizens hard arms? Well maybe the whole thing wouldn’t have even started. But wow, it would be a very different scene. Instead it’s more a case of if the military wants to walk in and shutdown the place, it’s going to be a lot easier. Not entirely a gun rights advo…

They would be better served by helping to elect politicians who will preserv their civil liberties.

Voter turnout is dismal. 20% for locals, 50% presidential.

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This is why many Americans won’t give their guns away. Imagine (not saying it would be a good outcome), but what Hong Kong would be like right now if all citizens hard arms? Well maybe the whole thing wouldn’t have even started. But wow, it would be a very different scene. Instead it’s more a case of if the military wants to walk in and shutdown the place, it’s going to be a lot easier. Not entirely a gun rights advo…

> This is why many Americans won’t give their guns away. It's not like those guns do anything. Americans seldom protest their governments laws, and are conditioned to be living and having passed upon them way worse laws than French (without guns) have...

> It's not like those guns do anything.

Isn't the point is that they don't need to actively do anything because they're a deterrent?

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A hunting rifle can reach 10-15 km altitude?

not even close, and none of this is civil disobedience. civil would be to have a movement put multispectral bright lights on top of every car boat plane train bicycle ball cap dog collar and then scatter them everywhere at intersections and parks etc. not sure how bright they would need to be to saturate enough to hide the car or dog. you could track the bright spot till they intersect but then I would be iffy to kee…

This is a great idea! Prices of bright LEDs have dropped considerably in recent years. So it wouldn't require that much energy. With enough bright spots, scatter would complicate tracking anything specific.

Also, that'd provide cover for the occasional targeted high-energy laser pulse.

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Dayton OH tried this crap with Persistent Surveillance Systems equipment that's basically a time machine: a high altitude camera that photographs the whole city and lets you follow a vehicle forward or backward in time, inferring meeting places, routes, etc. The outcry that arose cancelled the project. So yes, protest works! https://www.acluohio.org/archives/issue-information/warrantl... The one over Baltimore is JLE…

There’s an excellent RadioLab episode about Persistent Surveillance. The anti-crime powers it brings to a city are compelling, only overshadowed by the powers for abuse. Worth a listen IMHO: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/eye-sky

Being able to back-track in time after a violent crime has been committed is a fantastic application of this technology.

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> Chelsea Russell: not convicted. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 Yes she was. It was only overturned later because she has (I believe) autism. The whole point I was making is that it should not happen in the first place. Do you think we should be dragging autistic teenage girls through court because of rap lyric posted on facebook? I think it is ridiculous. > Count Dankula: broadcast the ph…

> It was only overturned later. You realise that winning on appeal means the original conviction didn't happen right? > The video was obviously a joke First of all you claimed he was imprisoned for this, and he wasn't. This is yet another case that you don't understand that you think supports your point when it really doesn't. He had a trial. He could have used a free speech defence. He chose not to. Importantly he w…

> You realise that winning on appeal means the original conviction didn't happen right?

As previously explained I don't think the whole series of events should have happened.

The conviction was only overturned because she was diagnosed with autism. If she hadn't have been diagnosed with the condition the conviction would have stayed.

> First of all you claimed he was imprisoned for this, and he wasn't.

I never claimed he was. However he could have been and probably didn't see jail time because of the amount of publicity and support he had outside of the court.

> He chose to use the "it was just a joke bro" defence, and failed because he couldn't show that she had even seen the video.

As I said he was arrest before she could have seen it. It was clearly intended as a joke against his girlfriend. He clearly states this twice in the video, you conveniently ignore this fact. It is also convenient you don't acknowledge this or the part where he crudely photoshops a hitler tash onto his dog and plays an old horror sound effect from the 1960s television.

> He uploaded it to Youtube with the intent that it would be seen by other people, thus completing the crime.

It should not be a crime.

The other people were his mates, conveniently you ignored this when I stated it. It was obviously not intended to be seen by a large number of people. They misused a law meant for television broadcasts and applied it to youtube.

This is disingenuous interpretation of events. Again you are being disingenuous because you want to be right.

> This is what was found at his original trial. He has not appealed against this finding.

He did file appeals, they were rejected and if you read the rejections their reasoning was ridiculous. Also the courts reading of the situation is obvious bullshit. He had 8 subscribers when he posted the video (I know because I saw the reddit thread that made the video go viral) and I remember seeing his subscriber count at the time. Those people were most likely his mates.

Again this is disingenuous interpretation of events.

> You claimed he'd been imprisoned for it and he hasn't.

I never claimed this.

> You still haven't named the cases. You're getting the genre wrong btw, it's drill not grime.

It like saying modern R'n'B and Garage are different. They are basically the same beats played at a different speed with a slightly different style.

They Drill, Grime etc are all basically people rapping over a beat and is pretty much just Hip Hop really. This is a silly point to make.

> and they were imprisoned for breaking an injunction that was aimed at tackling gang violence: they made credible death threats to other members of gangs.

The injunction should not exist, it will be another thing that will be abused by the police. As for credible threats of violence Rappers used to make threats against each other all the time back in the 1980s.

In the album Hijack "The Horns of Jericho", the rapper is instructing a man with a sword to abduct, torture and kill Andrew Lloyd Webber. No such chain of events occurred because of the song lyrics.

The knife crime epidemic in London has nothing to do with the type of music being played. As previously stated politicians will demonise the music to distract from the real problem.

People should not be locked up for song lyrics. This is ridiculous. There is no credible threats of violence through song lyrics.

> For you to claim that these 2 cases equate to widespread human rights abuse in China is laughable.

I never said they equatable. I never claimed that. Another misrepresentation of what I said.

I think the UK is going down a very dangerous path because of these laws and I think we will eventually lead up in a similar state as what is happening in China.

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Good thing Belgium already sold this NATO spec technology to China...

Got a link for that?

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/belgian-firm-sells-advanced-...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/2173593/chi...

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> Criminals could observe people and car movements in entire neighborhoods to better target burglaries and carjackings. The genie is pretty much out of the bottle. It can't be understated how much impact this, and drones, will have on home invasion crimes. And they will have surveillance ops on standby to help them successfully navigate out of police chases when the need arises.

But cops could also observe criminals, so that probably evens out.

Well, for everyone but the homeowner. :(

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I think it's naive to expect a showdown between the FAA and the Pentagon, doubly so one where the FAA wins.

FAA wields enormous (usually dictatorial) powers in things that refer to safe flight and will easily trump Pentagon there. It would not lift a finger on privacy, but will likely enforce that all such balloons carry transponders. This is not a consolation here, but just a note that in its fiefdom FAA will win.

The pentagon has free reign to pretty much define any TFR and the FAA just has to accept it.

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We need a new deal here. If everyone with power is allowed to just follow their incentives, we end up with an awful place for everyone. What is the contract between people, government and corporations that we can make that allows for the freedom in society that we value? It seems like both the corps and gov are teaming up against team people here.

In France we have a contract: if people are unhappy they rise against. If there's no risk of revolting, the fox is fearless in the chicken hen.

So how did that work out for you lately? 8 months of fires and tear gas with no appreciable effect on the democratic process.

Re: Pentagon testing mass surveillance balloons across the US

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> This is why many Americans won’t give their guns away. It's not like those guns do anything. Americans seldom protest their governments laws, and are conditioned to be living and having passed upon them way worse laws than French (without guns) have...

> It's not like those guns do anything. Isn't the point is that they don't need to actively do anything because they're a deterrent?

I think he's saying that the guns haven't deterred much when viewed through the lens of a French/American comparison.

In a lot of ways, the French are unquestionably better off.

The whole line of argument is moot though anyway, because with these new technologies I don't think the French will remain better off in those ways for too much longer. Neither guns, nor protests will be effective as deterrents in the face of ubiquitous surveillance. Both will be fairly impotent against these technologies in fact.

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