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Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

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Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

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I live in Sheffield, which is about as green as cities get in the UK. I try and walk every day - you can walk from my front door through woods all the way into the Peak District and stand a good chance of not seeing more than a couple of souls. Lately my son has started joining me and honestly, it’s just the most nourishing part of my life at the moment. I am not sure I could survive on the huddled trees and pruned g…

Try somewhere like Hampstead Heath in London. It's basically a large (Google maps reckons 50 mins to walk from one end to the other) wild heathland with woods and lakes but with very little 'manicuring' but only 10 mins from the centre by tube.

Pics: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=Hampstead%20heath&t...

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

#92

Living near trees implies living in an area where space usage is prioritized for nature instead of the stacked concrete boxes most people (have to?) live in. It is likely a less stressful environment overall than places filled with just concrete walls, asphalt and, at best, some grass. Personally I find tree tops swaying in the wind oddly hypnotic and relaxing. I've thought of why... One reason could be that babies a…

Stacked concrete boxes are an efficient way to preserve space for trees. Rows of houses and strip malls are.

Housing density and treespace are separate issues.

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

#93
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Unsurprising result. I was so sad (figuratively speaking) when we moved from an older office - but one which had trees all around and even running water - to a very modern, but boring open floor glass paned antfarm-like building. After some time I got literally depressed. Walking around the concreted block did nothing for me anymore. No trees, no water, no birds, no squirrels. Just cars and a lot of heat in the summe…

I work in central London and feel the same way. Coworkers are often surprised that when I moved to London, I chose to go quite a bit north and have to take the tube for 45 minutes to get to work. But I live on a one way street with no traffic, and when I look outside my window, there is a giant field of grass with lots of huge trees. I can go outside, lie down in the grass, enjoy the peace and quiet. I will watch the…

Why do people say London density is so bad when there are homes with trees only 45min away?

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

#94

This is another study that makes me wonder what the real cause may be. Areas with trees, in an urban setting, tend to be more expensive locations. So, is it the the trees, or the higher socio-economic status? In suburban and rural areas where trees are more common, even if the cost of living is low, everything is less dense, people tend to have larger dwellings at lower prices, etc. So, again, is it the trees or the…

It certainly would be strange if wealth-independent happiness caused people to live near trees but trees didn't make them happy.

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

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Living near trees implies living in an area where space usage is prioritized for nature instead of the stacked concrete boxes most people (have to?) live in. It is likely a less stressful environment overall than places filled with just concrete walls, asphalt and, at best, some grass. Personally I find tree tops swaying in the wind oddly hypnotic and relaxing. I've thought of why... One reason could be that babies a…

There was a period in my life where I suffered a severe psychotic break and spent several weeks in a mental hospital. The thing that got me well enough to be discharged was a portable cd player and a handful of mix cds one of my friends brought me, but what allowed me to fully recover was spending the next 3 months at my parent's house mostly watching the wind ruffle through their collection of Japanese Maples.

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

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I moved earlier this summer. My home office is situated in front of huge bay windows looking out into the canopy of a forest of 120 foot maple trees that my house is in. It has made a huge difference, especially when I'm doing tedious programming work.

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

#97
The article is: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

As a correlational study, and as with any study like this I'm worried that something they're not controlling for, or not sufficiently controlling for, is the actual cause. They say:

> Self-rated health, depression, anxiety, and risk of psychological distress have been previously shown to be associated with green space in some cross-sectional and longitudinal studies. A range of socioeconomic and demographic factors are likely to confound these associations by contributing to mental health outcomes and to neighborhood selection. Previous research suggests that these factors are likely to include personal socioeconomic circumstances, such as how much money people have, whether they are employed, and their level of education, and other factors, such as age, sex, and relationship status. Accordingly, in this study, we adjusted for baseline measures of age, sex, annual household income, economic status (eg, employed, retired, or unemployed), highest educational qualification, and couple status.

There are a lot of measures that affect human wellbeing that this doesn't take into account, however. For example, wealth and class aren't present. I understand why it would be hard for them to adjust for everything, but that also makes the study much less predictive.

I wonder if there are any natural experiments we could look at where blights or storms that caused sudden reductions in tree cover in a mostly independent fashion?

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manhattan has Central Park, which is a forest. Compare vs the suburban sprawl of modern design where it's an ocean of tract housing with stunted little fresh-planted trees and I'd say the reverse is generally true. I can see the argument for rural living, but not for modern suburbia.

Suburbs can have vast canopies. They just often choose not to, feeling bare grass is the most attractive. (I personally don't understand the appeal of a neighborhood that has been methodically expunged of shade)

Trees are expensive to maintain if they are between closely packed houses. Wealthier suburbs have more trees than poorer.

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

#99

Not surprising. As someone who grew up in rural and suburban environments, big cities feel intensely depressing. I go there and nothing I look at makes me feel happy. I'm sure people who grew up there feel differently and see things I don't see, but for me Manhattan feels as dead as the surface of Mars.

To each their own. There are those of us that would die of boredom and depression in a rural or suburban environment. To us the city is where is at, especially a place like NYC.

No one does of boredom in rural or suburban environments. They die of meth and oxy.

Re: Living Near Trees, Not Just Green Space, Improves Wellbeing

#100
post #50

Unsurprising result. I was so sad (figuratively speaking) when we moved from an older office - but one which had trees all around and even running water - to a very modern, but boring open floor glass paned antfarm-like building. After some time I got literally depressed. Walking around the concreted block did nothing for me anymore. No trees, no water, no birds, no squirrels. Just cars and a lot of heat in the summe…

I work in central London and feel the same way. Coworkers are often surprised that when I moved to London, I chose to go quite a bit north and have to take the tube for 45 minutes to get to work. But I live on a one way street with no traffic, and when I look outside my window, there is a giant field of grass with lots of huge trees. I can go outside, lie down in the grass, enjoy the peace and quiet. I will watch the…

I think you made the right tradeoff there.
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