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Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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One great way of doing this is to interview for jobs that you think you're not qualified enough for. I've gone to so many interviews over the years, that after a while it doesn't matter if some company X doesn't take you. You just stop worrying. I have a couple of friends who never go to interviews, unless their skills match the job description almost perfectly. They rob themselves of chances to get more money, more…

You forget the impact interviewing has on you emotionally - if you fail x number of interviews, each accompanied by the typical deafening silence as to why, exactly, they don't want you, things start to grate pretty bad. I think it's better to take a more balanced approach - interview until you have enough information to determine what it is you need to work on (even with their silence you can eventually work this ou…

> each accompanied by the typical deafening silence as to why, exactly, they don't want yo

In my experience, it has been pretty easy to ask why they don't want you. Some larger companies have policies about not telling you, but any small company probably won't mind answering a polite email with a reasonably straightforward answer. And in larger companies, you should be asking each individual interviewer for a business card to follow up with a thank you email, so you could reach out to them directly; they aren't as sensitive to the HR policies.

You get an email saying "We're sorry..." and you just reply "Thank you for the opportunity. If you don't mind, I'd appreciate any information you are willing to share about your decision. I'm always looking to improve myself and rely on your honesty to identify my grow areas. Thanks!"

What's the worse that happens? They reject you again by not giving you a straight answer? The whole point of learning to handle rejection is to take advantage of the fact that much of the time you can win just by showing up to the game.

Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forget the impact interviewing has on you emotionally - if you fail x number of interviews, each accompanied by the typical deafening silence as to why, exactly, they don't want you, things start to grate pretty bad. I think it's better to take a more balanced approach - interview until you have enough information to determine what it is you need to work on (even with their silence you can eventually work this ou…

> each accompanied by the typical deafening silence as to why, exactly, they don't want yo In my experience, it has been pretty easy to ask why they don't want you. Some larger companies have policies about not telling you, but any small company probably won't mind answering a polite email with a reasonably straightforward answer. And in larger companies, you should be asking each individual interviewer for a busines…

Sure, I agree it's always worth asking and as I said the key is obtaining as much real-world data to go on, so if you can get it, the feedback is invaluable.

I have had many, many incidents where they have given very brief, obviously untrue feedback which seems likely to be the result of a careful HR policy.

In fact, I have in the past done exactly what you suggest and got a reasonable and very useful response :)

Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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Having to reject someone can be a very stressful experience. I don't like the idea of purposefully inflicting that stress on others unless there's a chance we both could benefit. "Getting rejected on purpose" sounds like I'd be picking situations where I know for sure I'll be rejected -- an inappropriate proposition, an undeserved request. I don't want to do that to someone else just to try to desensitize myself to r…

Indeed, I shudder to imagine people following this advice and importuning others.

The social contract among my peers seem to be to only ask for things that could be the start of a win-win negotiation.

Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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or just go learn how to pick up girls. the skills are relevant to entrepreneurs.

or just go learn how to pick up girls. the skills are relevant to entrepreneurs.

In fact, the PUA guys have taken a lot of ideas from the exact same sources that are used by sales-people, marketers, etc. For example, Robert Cialdini's book Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion is a popular read amongst PUAs. You'll also see those guys recommending various books on sales and presentation skills, recommending improv classes (something else sales guys sometimes do), etc.

So yeah, there's definitely a sort of connection there... :-)

Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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"Rejection Therapy" is the inaccurate, possibly dangerous meme version of a real therapy - in vivo desensitization.

Conquering fear is done by facing your fears not by intentionally going out with the expectation that things will go bad. Pessimism is just another defence mechanism from the true vulnerability of ambiguity.

This meme is just psychologically wrong in so many ways.

- Seeking rejection creates a self-fulfilling prophecy where you will be more likely to be rejected.

- When you are rejected in this way, instead of processing it maturely, you're going to say "Oh it was part of my rejection therapy. I didn't really even want or expect to be accepted. Add one point to the scoreboard!." This is an attempt to dodge the reality of what happened - rejection is a negative thing. It's not the end of the world, but it also is probably not cause for celebration. You aren't fooling anyone (including yourself) by telling yourself it is positive. Anytime you are rejected from something you care about you are going to have sad feelings at the least. The way to handle these is to face them, own them, feel them, realize they will go away, and try again another day. But inflicting this on yourself on purpose is masochism and unhealthy.

- For most people, experiencing a lot of rejection will not make them less fearful of rejection, it will make them more fearful. They will come to expect rejection more and then avoid behaviours that they believe will lead to it.

- The effective, scientifically proven way to face your fears is to do it piece by piece, in small bites, and to recognize that if you are not allowing yourself to be truly emotionally vulnerable, you are not really facing your fear of rejection. The fear of rejection is about asking for something you want and then feeling the uncomfortable vulnerable feelings of ambiguity. It's about making yourself emotionally vulnerable - you genuinely want something and will be happy to receive it and sad to be denied it. This is true vulnerability. You cannot avoid the pain of rejection, you can only learn to process it when it happens, and to have the courage to risk that pain because you know it's all for a greater good. But inflicting this pain on yourself needlessly is masochistic and will likely lead to more phobias and anxiety, not less.

Those who are having trouble with fear - look up systematic desensitization and in vivo desensitization. Also, remember that true courage means allowing yourself to be vulnerable. And vulnerability means allowing for the instance where you feel bad. A coward is someone who finds ways to avoid any chance of feeling bad. A courageous person is one who is willing to risk losing something he desires because he knows that it is a smart risk.

Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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"Rejection Therapy" is the inaccurate, possibly dangerous meme version of a real therapy - in vivo desensitization. Conquering fear is done by facing your fears not by intentionally going out with the expectation that things will go bad. Pessimism is just another defence mechanism from the true vulnerability of ambiguity. This meme is just psychologically wrong in so many ways. - Seeking rejection creates a self-fulf…

I'm not entirely sure your negative opinion of getting rejected is justified. I feel the direction of the feedback cycle is entirely dependent on the given person's general mindset.

As a positive example, my weak point is talking to girls. I try to talk more to them (or to more of them) to get experience. But since I'm not too sure of myself, I don't come off as pushy or overbearing, so the responses are generally positive, just because of the attention they receive. Which makes me feel more comfortable the next time I try to talk to female strangers.

Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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Rejection therapy has gotten a lot of coverage on HN recently, and for good reason. A lot of people on the Internet use rejection therapy to get over their fears of asking the cute girl out for coffee or going to the trendy nightclub they've never entered before. Here at HN, however, I think rejection therapy is able to really shine: sitting down for lunch with some VC's or C-level executives takes courage, and pitch…

sitting down for lunch with some VC's or C-level executives takes courage, and pitching your idea is literally asking for it to get shot down. ...where by "literally" you mean "figuratively". Unless VCs you lunch with habitually bring firearms or the like to lunch. :)

Well, I meant you were literally asking for critique, as opposed to just sitting down and fishing for empty compliments.

Happy 2011, I just woke up and laughed at the thought of a VC with a rocket-propelled grenade.

Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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Having to reject someone can be a very stressful experience. I don't like the idea of purposefully inflicting that stress on others unless there's a chance we both could benefit. "Getting rejected on purpose" sounds like I'd be picking situations where I know for sure I'll be rejected -- an inappropriate proposition, an undeserved request. I don't want to do that to someone else just to try to desensitize myself to r…

Indeed, I shudder to imagine people following this advice and importuning others. The social contract among my peers seem to be to only ask for things that could be the start of a win-win negotiation.

The whole point of the exercise is that people underestimate what is possible in any given situation and misjudge their opportunities.

Re: Overcome Fear in 2011. Get Rejected On Purpose

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"Rejection Therapy" is the inaccurate, possibly dangerous meme version of a real therapy - in vivo desensitization. Conquering fear is done by facing your fears not by intentionally going out with the expectation that things will go bad. Pessimism is just another defence mechanism from the true vulnerability of ambiguity. This meme is just psychologically wrong in so many ways. - Seeking rejection creates a self-fulf…

I'm not entirely sure your negative opinion of getting rejected is justified. I feel the direction of the feedback cycle is entirely dependent on the given person's general mindset. As a positive example, my weak point is talking to girls. I try to talk more to them (or to more of them) to get experience. But since I'm not too sure of myself, I don't come off as pushy or overbearing, so the responses are generally po…

You aren't reading very closely.

In vivo desensitization is what you're describing - slowly facing your fears piece by piece.

Rejection therapy is something else, where you actually attempt to be rejected X number of times per day. If you aren't rejected, you now have to do something that will get your rejected. It is essentially a defence mechanism to avoid true vulnerability.

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