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‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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I did run into the same issue as mentioned in the article and the Easylist forum is full of publishers having complaining that their site doesn't work anymore. I started working on http://blockedby.com , a monitoring tool to warn you when a rule would impact your website. But after contacting a few websites that did have the issue on the forum, I couldn't find any that actually wanted to prevent this. A few discussio…

I had an issue with this recently, where buttons simply linking to our Twitter and Facebook pages were being blocked. I'm no fan of obtrusive, JavaScript laden ads, and have used adblockers myself for years, but why block "legitimate" content? I didn't know how to get removed from the list (and assumed it wouldn't happen anyway), so changed a couple of class names and it was working again. But I don't know how long t…

Sounds like it was a pattern matching issue rather than being on an actual block list.

Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

uBlock Origin really really needs to do something to distinguish itself from uBlock. Every thread I read about ad blockers has a comment trying to clarify.

How can it distinguish itself without giving up the name that Aljoudi (and not AdBlock) has been hijacking? Imagine if a company launched a (non-Google) "Chromium" browser or non-Microsoft "Explorer" or "Edge", how would the authentic developer defend against that? (Probably with a trademark suit, which is a dificult strategy for a tiny open source project). gorhill could create a brand new name to replace Origin, bu…

It sucks to have to give up the name, but maybe it's just time to rip off that band-aid and do it.

Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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post #8

I did run into the same issue as mentioned in the article and the Easylist forum is full of publishers having complaining that their site doesn't work anymore. I started working on http://blockedby.com , a monitoring tool to warn you when a rule would impact your website. But after contacting a few websites that did have the issue on the forum, I couldn't find any that actually wanted to prevent this. A few discussio…

Getting a 500 error from /start, fyi.

Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also as a quick aside, they mention that AutoTrader would've had to fix "hundreds of thousands of pages" and I'm calling bullshit. No site of that magnitude is using straight up HTML pages. Even if it's a jekyll thing where you'd have to change a bunch of templates, I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of the required changes could be done in a few seconds with any decent text editor.

I would not be surprised if they are telling the truth here. I worked on an early version of a big woodworking website and it was over six thousand static html pages. The group that acquired it needed to show progress asap, which meant simply updating the header to their new logo and footer nav. I had to write about a dozen sequenced find and replace routines with regex to do even basic changes. In some cases groups…

I've been working in big tech companies for too long. When I got to that part, I thought to myself, "Wait, they think hundreds of thousands is a lot of content? That should be fixable over someone's lunch break!"

Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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It always amazes me that journalists still have no clue how open source work. And also they should talk about uBlock Origin. Not AdBlock Plus or UBlock.

It's most certainly the work of more than "four dudes" too. Just by looking at the forum and contributors...

Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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post #56

It always amazes me that journalists still have no clue how open source work. And also they should talk about uBlock Origin. Not AdBlock Plus or UBlock.

It's most certainly the work of more than "four dudes" too. Just by looking at the forum and contributors...

I've contributed a small bit at some point. 4 dudes is indeed insulting.

Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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I fear that with adblocking nearing 25% market penetration we're going to see fundamental changes in the way ads are delivered in response. Maybe a transition from third party ad servers to locally hosted ads that have to be added to block lists individually. Maybe YouTube will start inserting unblockable ads directly into the video stream. Fine people like Raymond Hill will keep fighting the good fight but I wonder…

> inserting unblockable ads directly into the video stream.

In a sense, it's already kinda happening with Twitch. A few months ago, they rolled out Server Side Ad Insertion [1] which broke ad blockers. Now, ublock origin and streamlink can still block them though but the arms race will continue. I don't think it'll ever come to reencoding the video to incorporate ads because most ads are dynamics but maybe future encoders or hardware are really fast.

[1] https://aws.amazon.com/media/tech/what-server-side-ad-insert...

Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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It always amazes me that journalists still have no clue how open source work. And also they should talk about uBlock Origin. Not AdBlock Plus or UBlock.

This is not journalism. This is a hit-piece on EasyList, with a clickbait and false title. It seems even plausible, reading it, that the author knows about uBlock origin but avoids naming it, instead listing the two sellouts that are morally shady.

Actually really true. Not sure what Max endgame is here.

Re: ‘Just four dudes’: Inside EasyList, a community-run ad-blocking list

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I fear that with adblocking nearing 25% market penetration we're going to see fundamental changes in the way ads are delivered in response. Maybe a transition from third party ad servers to locally hosted ads that have to be added to block lists individually. Maybe YouTube will start inserting unblockable ads directly into the video stream. Fine people like Raymond Hill will keep fighting the good fight but I wonder…

Maybe news (and other) websites will stop auto-loading megabytes of scripts, images, auto-playing video etc because because they can no longer fund it.

Maybe we'll get a resurgence of text-only websites.

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