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Saudi Arabia Allows Women to Travel Without a Male Guardian's Permission
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#22It's always funny for me to see articles like this, the last one I remember was about women being able to drive. What does Saudi Arabia have that prevents the world from interfering in its politics? Don't say oil, if it was just that the US would have been in there long ago.
Why is that even a good idea at all? First most of these laws are a result of the culture here and if a vote were to happen are likely to remain or at least be controversial. Even the silly driving ban which have no religious basis is/was controversial even amongst women. Enforcing non popular laws from a foreign entity is a good recipe for disaster and may increase resistance to these laws and start wars or other ba…
The western world has sad tendency to believe its ideals are the only ideals, so you're unlikely to attract much productive comment. Fanaticism is found everywhere, it's just common for some cultures to give it another name when convenient
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#23It's always funny for me to see articles like this, the last one I remember was about women being able to drive. What does Saudi Arabia have that prevents the world from interfering in its politics? Don't say oil, if it was just that the US would have been in there long ago.
Can you fix any dictatorship/weirdo regime in the world? Absolutely not - most of the world is like that. It is the free countries that's the exception. And most of those aren't scary, not threatening others much.
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#24It's always funny for me to see articles like this, the last one I remember was about women being able to drive. What does Saudi Arabia have that prevents the world from interfering in its politics? Don't say oil, if it was just that the US would have been in there long ago.
What moral authority does the US have to intervene here? (Not saying that the US needs that to intervene, of course). The US has beauty pageants where 5 year old girls are put in hooker makeup and dance provocatively on stage, where companies market pants that say Juicy on the ass to 9 year old girls, where my 8 year old niece was complaining that her legs were fat...
Can you actually assert with confidence that a Martian visiting Earth would find the US to be a better place for women than Saudi Arabia?
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#25It's always funny for me to see articles like this, the last one I remember was about women being able to drive. What does Saudi Arabia have that prevents the world from interfering in its politics? Don't say oil, if it was just that the US would have been in there long ago.
>> What does Saudi Arabia have that prevents the world from interfering in its politics?
for real? heard of fundamentalism?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US military has been in Saudi Arabia for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Sultan_Air_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhahran_Air_Base
Having a military base and orchestrating regime changes are a little bit different.
The military base is there to protect the regime. It’s easier to deal with a small monarchy with no transparency than a democracy. And they make for a good enemy of other local countries keeping just enough zest in the region for the weapons to keep flowing and the figureheads to keep toppling, but still allowing for a steady supply of oil.
History of Modern Middle East by William Cleveland is a good resource:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/64594.A_History_of_the_M...
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having a military base and orchestrating regime changes are a little bit different.
The military base is there to protect the regime. It’s easier to deal with a small monarchy with no transparency than a democracy. And they make for a good enemy of other local countries keeping just enough zest in the region for the weapons to keep flowing and the figureheads to keep toppling, but still allowing for a steady supply of oil. History of Modern Middle East by William Cleveland is a good resource: https:…
A Peace to End All Peace is good too
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#28It's always funny for me to see articles like this, the last one I remember was about women being able to drive. What does Saudi Arabia have that prevents the world from interfering in its politics? Don't say oil, if it was just that the US would have been in there long ago.
What moral authority does the US have to intervene here? (Not saying that the US needs that to intervene, of course). The US has beauty pageants where 5 year old girls are put in hooker makeup and dance provocatively on stage, where companies market pants that say Juicy on the ass to 9 year old girls, where my 8 year old niece was complaining that her legs were fat... Can you actually assert with confidence that a Ma…
I dunno, I'd rather have a choice in what to wear, who to marry, be in control of my healthcare, be able to play sports or go to the pool than not have Juicy Couture marketed towards a young audience.
I wasn't saying the US specifically needs to interfere, the US comment was a tongue in cheek reference to the Iraq war.
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#29It's always funny for me to see articles like this, the last one I remember was about women being able to drive. What does Saudi Arabia have that prevents the world from interfering in its politics? Don't say oil, if it was just that the US would have been in there long ago.
What moral authority does the US have to intervene here? (Not saying that the US needs that to intervene, of course). The US has beauty pageants where 5 year old girls are put in hooker makeup and dance provocatively on stage, where companies market pants that say Juicy on the ass to 9 year old girls, where my 8 year old niece was complaining that her legs were fat... Can you actually assert with confidence that a Ma…
If these Martians value individual freedom they'd probably prefer western liberal democracies, where everybody is (in theory) free to make their own decisions and live their own probably-shitty life on their own terms within the broader constraints of society, over societies where immutable characteristics of one's identity are used as justification to curtail individual freedom. Speaking as a human, entities that value freedom seem willing to make other sacrifices to achieve and maintain it, at least on paper.
On the other hand, e.g. if Martian males are sessile, nonsentient semen-dispensers kept in special rooms in Martian households where they're fattened up for breeding season and then drained of their product in a violent orgy every summer solstice, Martians might look at Saudi Arabian society and assume that something similar is going on, and that there's nothing to worry about.
Equally hypothetically, a member of a Martian society that has passed through the growing pains of industrialization and globalization and achieved long-term (millennia) steady-state sustainability would probably look at American and Saudi Arabian society and conclude that both have serious problems.
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#30It's always funny for me to see articles like this, the last one I remember was about women being able to drive. What does Saudi Arabia have that prevents the world from interfering in its politics? Don't say oil, if it was just that the US would have been in there long ago.
What moral authority does the US have to intervene here? (Not saying that the US needs that to intervene, of course). The US has beauty pageants where 5 year old girls are put in hooker makeup and dance provocatively on stage, where companies market pants that say Juicy on the ass to 9 year old girls, where my 8 year old niece was complaining that her legs were fat... Can you actually assert with confidence that a Ma…
Yes, Martians would find US better place for women. Those girls won't be thrown to prison for refusing to dance.
Meanwhile, even as driving ban was removed, female activists who pushed for it were targeted by goverment and imprisoned.