Saudi Arabia Allows Women to Travel Without a Male Guardian's Permission
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#2Time has one of those data-collection consent forms that are seemingly impossible to opt out of, before being able to read the article. I refuse to fall for that dark pattern.
Here's a better link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/01/saudi-women-ca...
"Women in Saudi Arabia will no longer need the permission of a male guardian to travel.."
"Still in place, however, are rules that require male consent for a woman to leave prison, exit a domestic abuse shelter or marry. Women, unlike men, still cannot pass on citizenship to their children and cannot provide consent for their children to marry."
Re: Saudi Arabia Allows Women to Travel Without a Male Guardian's Permission
#3Time has one of those data-collection consent forms that are seemingly impossible to opt out of, before being able to read the article. I refuse to fall for that dark pattern. Here's a better link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/01/saudi-women-ca... "Women in Saudi Arabia will no longer need the permission of a male guardian to travel.." "Still in place, however, are rules that require male consent for a…
Fuck yeah.
Here is the original link on the outline nevertheless, just because you still have to do even more clicks on the guardian :
Re: Saudi Arabia Allows Women to Travel Without a Male Guardian's Permission
#4Time has one of those data-collection consent forms that are seemingly impossible to opt out of, before being able to read the article. I refuse to fall for that dark pattern. Here's a better link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/01/saudi-women-ca... "Women in Saudi Arabia will no longer need the permission of a male guardian to travel.." "Still in place, however, are rules that require male consent for a…
I would like to add, quoting from times:
“Other changes issued in the decrees allow women to register a marriage, divorce or child’s birth and to be issued official family documents”
IANAL but I am a Saudi citizen and it seems male consent to leave prison and abuse shelter may be included in these changes. I have seen Saudi citizens speculate about both possibilities so it is not clear yet.
Only one of the four major Islamic Sunni madhhaps allow females to marry without consent. Saudi Arabia follows a different madhhap. So if I were to speculate I don’t think it will happen soon because it may risk a revolt as I believe most citizens are religious or at least conservative. However, I also did not expect the current changes to happen this soon for the same reasons so I may be wrong.
Re: Saudi Arabia Allows Women to Travel Without a Male Guardian's Permission
#5Time has one of those data-collection consent forms that are seemingly impossible to opt out of, before being able to read the article. I refuse to fall for that dark pattern. Here's a better link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/01/saudi-women-ca... "Women in Saudi Arabia will no longer need the permission of a male guardian to travel.." "Still in place, however, are rules that require male consent for a…
I would like to add, quoting from times: “Other changes issued in the decrees allow women to register a marriage, divorce or child’s birth and to be issued official family documents” IANAL but I am a Saudi citizen and it seems male consent to leave prison and abuse shelter may be included in these changes. I have seen Saudi citizens speculate about both possibilities so it is not clear yet. Only one of the four major…
Thank you, that's really interesting to hear a first-person perspective about the cultural changes.
> [Allowing] females to marry without consent..may risk a revolt..
Wow, I didn't realize how strongly people (I guess in this case mainly men) felt about this issue. I'm all for women's rights and liberation, but I see that it must be done in a sensitive manner, as it relates to fundamental values of religion, gender roles, and I suppose power dynamics in society.
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to add, quoting from times: “Other changes issued in the decrees allow women to register a marriage, divorce or child’s birth and to be issued official family documents” IANAL but I am a Saudi citizen and it seems male consent to leave prison and abuse shelter may be included in these changes. I have seen Saudi citizens speculate about both possibilities so it is not clear yet. Only one of the four major…
Thank you, that's really interesting to hear a first-person perspective about the cultural changes. > [Allowing] females to marry without consent..may risk a revolt.. Wow, I didn't realize how strongly people (I guess in this case mainly men) felt about this issue. I'm all for women's rights and liberation, but I see that it must be done in a sensitive manner, as it relates to fundamental values of religion, gender r…
> I'm all for women's rights and liberation, but I see that it must be done in a sensitive manner.
These laws are ruthless and insensitive towards women though...
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to add, quoting from times: “Other changes issued in the decrees allow women to register a marriage, divorce or child’s birth and to be issued official family documents” IANAL but I am a Saudi citizen and it seems male consent to leave prison and abuse shelter may be included in these changes. I have seen Saudi citizens speculate about both possibilities so it is not clear yet. Only one of the four major…
Thank you, that's really interesting to hear a first-person perspective about the cultural changes. > [Allowing] females to marry without consent..may risk a revolt.. Wow, I didn't realize how strongly people (I guess in this case mainly men) felt about this issue. I'm all for women's rights and liberation, but I see that it must be done in a sensitive manner, as it relates to fundamental values of religion, gender r…
I think it is a conservative/religious issue mostly. Women are harmed from this so it may be easier for them to change their opinions. However many women hold the same view and are not happy with such changes. The marriage without consent could be possible because there is one sunni maddhap which allow this. (For example in Egypt I think)
My views maybe inaccurate and in general I am pessimistic. However many are not happy with what the current government is doing and any change which may seem clearly against Islam could be the straw that break the camel’s back.
I would like to add that the criticism is lower and maybe in kinder tone due to the low freedom speech ceiling so it is actually hard to gauge the general opinion of current changes in this article.
Almost no body I know talked about this, perhaps many are unhappy with it or afraid of society judgement for supporting such changes.
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#9A man said it. We all believed it. We asked for no corroboration; we obtained no evidence. And that's where we stopped.
This is the monstrous injustice of our civilization. We organize the enslavement of over half the population based upon an unfounded idea.
Then we pat ourselves on the back for slightly loosening the bonds of slavery.
"Go slow," they say, "so as not to disrupt the order of things."
So as not to disrupt the order of hateful men lying to maintain their own positions of control.
Re: Saudi Arabia Allows Women to Travel Without a Male Guardian's Permission
#10Time has one of those data-collection consent forms that are seemingly impossible to opt out of, before being able to read the article. I refuse to fall for that dark pattern. Here's a better link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/01/saudi-women-ca... "Women in Saudi Arabia will no longer need the permission of a male guardian to travel.." "Still in place, however, are rules that require male consent for a…
It seems that as I suspected requiring consent for leaving prison or abuse shelter was also abolished.
https://twitter.com/dralmuneef/status/1157139494765645826?s=...