I was disappointed that I didn't see Bagpipe Folk Dubstep. ;)
Here is an example in case you thought I was making up this genre:
Every Noise at Once
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#52Every Noise at Once is an ongoing attempt at an algorithmically-generated, readability-adjusted scatter-plot of the musical genre-space, based on data tracked and analyzed for 3,294 genres by Spotify as of 2019-07-29. The calibration is fuzzy, but in general down is more organic, up is more mechanical and electric; left is denser and more atmospheric, right is spikier and bouncier. Lots of other cool Spotify-scraping…
The webmaster of everynoise.com, Glenn McDonald, works at Spotify as "Data Alchemist". Good article on his work here [0]. Excerpt:
"Subgenres are McDonald's business. By going over listener data and identifying patterns, McDonald and his co-workers can identify clusters of artists who might coalesce into a genre—something he’s been doing since his earliest days at the music-intelligence company The Echo Nest, which Spotify bought in 2014. Today, his work with Spotify's data helps listeners discover artists that may have been hiding in plain sight. McDonald’s “data alchemy” helps populate the Fans Also Like sections of Spotify's artist pages, as well as Daily Mix; it also provides a real-time chronicle of how music is developing and splintering into different styles."
[0] https://artists.spotify.com/blog/trap-queen-and-the-data-sci...
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#53I use this site a lot, it is pretty good for finding new music especially new genres of music. I discovered Arab Metal last week which was pretty good.
My friends' band is in there as "Boston metal". Cool stuff!
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#54The bottom of the page is a little weird. "Byzantine" is not Russian Liturgical Music. This is Byzantine Chant: https://youtu.be/Bs--5yMg1g0 Also, Georgian Polyphony did not involve strings as a general rule. There were regional exceptions, but early Slavic polyphony was generally a capella. Here's a good example of Gerogian polyphony: https://v-s.mobi/elia-lrdei-princeton-georgian-choirs-fall-2... Sorry to nitpick,…
Spotify, and other commercial online sources, have long failed to get genres like "classical" right. It sounds like they're screwing up "Byzantine" as well, which is sadly unsurprising.
Well it classifies Three Dog Night and Grand Funk Railroad as "Southern Rock" so it is certainly not perfect for other genre's either.
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#55This reminds me of the old school flash app Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. Man was that thing ahead of it's time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishkur%27s_Guide_to_Electronic...
I came here to post that very same thing. What a great resource that was!
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#56This reminds me of the old school flash app Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. Man was that thing ahead of it's time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishkur%27s_Guide_to_Electronic...
https://twitter.com/Ishkur23 A new version is coming out in a couple of weeks(supposedly).
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#57The bottom of the page is a little weird. "Byzantine" is not Russian Liturgical Music. This is Byzantine Chant: https://youtu.be/Bs--5yMg1g0 Also, Georgian Polyphony did not involve strings as a general rule. There were regional exceptions, but early Slavic polyphony was generally a capella. Here's a good example of Gerogian polyphony: https://v-s.mobi/elia-lrdei-princeton-georgian-choirs-fall-2... Sorry to nitpick,…
I've noticed miscategorizations in other genres as well.
But It's OK. I think the interesting thing is how the musical snippets are different from each other rather than whether or not they're correct in an absolute sense.
It's a step in the right direction, I think. And it's not surprising that the categorizations and recommendations you get on music streaming services like spotify aren't as ridiculously off the mark as they used to be.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a map of Spotify, not an encyclopedia of music. I believe it's intended to give you a taste of something you've never heard of.
Then I'll back up to the fact that it should actually play the correct music for the tag.
The way this concept would really work, in practice, at a streaming service is as the basis for some kind of cluster analysis that could predict what you might want based on your listening behavior and that of others "like you".
Having people use words to precisely pin-down entire genre's is perhaps near the end of it's usefulness.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
That reasoning allows you to get any final signal you want depending on where you stop in the series, not on how you order the individual coefficients. Addition is still commutative. The parent comment was about every sound _and_ its inverse, which can only ever add up to zero. (Also, you're missing the frequency components there; your math cannot reproduce any sound at all, it can only reproduce different amplitudes…
I'm not missing arbitrary frequency components; please reread the penultimate paragraph, where I mention them explicitly. As I said there, you can extend my argument about a single frequency to include all multiples of that base frequency, and since you can set the coefficient for each frequency arbitrarily based on your ordering, you can set the fourier coefficients arbitrarily and in so doing recover any waveform y…
You're right, I missed that your sin(x) example was talking only about a single component.
However, cherry-picking a different reordering for each frequency component before doing an inverse FFT really isn't the same thing as playing all the sounds simultaneously.
Anyway, the thing is, we're not talking about an infinite series. This is a thread about digital audio playback, where both amplitude and phase components (I'm going to assume this site uses some sort of DCT-based codec) are quantized, and hence occupy a finite space. No amount of reordering will change that sum.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends how you take the sum! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergent_series#Absolute_conv... [edit] See my comment below: my joke is about the fact that, depending on the order in which you sum an infinite sequence of waveforms, you can create a sequence that converges to any sound you want [1] (as long as those waveforms together span the full frequency space). Note also that a sum over a truly continuous space of…
Sound waves are physical. You cannot change the empirical outcome by doing the math differently. Sound waves are indeed cancelled out by their inverse.
You are incorrectly assuming sound is additive, but it isn't.
Sound is non-linear as sound gets louder - sound wave volume is physically limited because the low of the sound wave can't be lower than vacuum.
Another non-linearity is air cannot transmit frequencies higher than some limit.
Another is that sound has a noise floor depending on the temperature of the gas (noise like rain on a roof?).
There are surely other gross non-linearities.
Those non-linearities mean you can't add or subtract some sounds, and you can't assume commutativity.