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N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by hnaccy »

owlninja wrote: post #45
lm28469 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can reuse that comment when we get mandatory under skin gps tracker from birth. We could even sacrifice all our liberties and get rid of every single crimes if we went further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

There was a story here locally where a young boy wandered out of his house while he was thought to be napping. The parents noticed and a search was started, but after a few hours they found him inside a neighbors car, dead from the Texas heat. A GPS tracker would have saved his life. I understand the privacy and personal liberty concerns, but I have a hard time coming to a decision on this one myself.

A single dead child was enough to put you on the fence of wide spread skin implanted GPS trackers?

Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by roywiggins »

crazygringo wrote: post #25

Facial recognition helps catch criminals. Young people can be criminals too. And if the police catch them while still juvenile, they might have more of a chance to turn their life around. Young people can also go missing, and facial recognition of security cams could help find them. I honestly can't see any reason why children shouldn't be included like everyone else. It goes without saying that a conviction should n…

Has the system been trained and tested to even work with children's faces? Can it cope with having two different photos of a child taken a year apart?

Or (as seems to be the case) are we just shoveling data into a system and hoping it can cope.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by hnaccy »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #5

Honestly, I have no problem with a database of public images showing/tracking people's public actions. It used to be in a small town you knew who was good and bad by their actions. With the population explosion, the only way we have a practical means to return to that is with facial recognition databases.

Sure, let's roll the beta out just for police officers, politicians, and prosecutors.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by michannne »

owlninja wrote: post #45
lm28469 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can reuse that comment when we get mandatory under skin gps tracker from birth. We could even sacrifice all our liberties and get rid of every single crimes if we went further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

There was a story here locally where a young boy wandered out of his house while he was thought to be napping. The parents noticed and a search was started, but after a few hours they found him inside a neighbors car, dead from the Texas heat. A GPS tracker would have saved his life. I understand the privacy and personal liberty concerns, but I have a hard time coming to a decision on this one myself.

That's a ridiculous argument. There are a myriad of other things that could have saved his life. Safety measures around the house to prevent young kids wandering outside at night, home surveillance to keep an eye on the property and alerts anytime movement is spotted around the house after a certain time, or even teaching kids not to go wandering off in the dead of night. How did he even get into the neighbors car? Was it malicious? Then it has nothing to do with tracking, they should worry about that neighbors record. If not, how would tracking have helped a young kid somehow getting themselves trapped in someone else's car?

Notice how eroding privacy even further is not even in the top 10 things that could have improved this situation

Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by XaoDaoCaoCao »

crazygringo wrote: post #25

Facial recognition helps catch criminals. Young people can be criminals too. And if the police catch them while still juvenile, they might have more of a chance to turn their life around. Young people can also go missing, and facial recognition of security cams could help find them. I honestly can't see any reason why children shouldn't be included like everyone else. It goes without saying that a conviction should n…

>It goes without saying that a conviction should never depend on computer matching, and that safeguards need to be in place to prevent abuse and limit to legitimate law-enforcement purposes.

Lol. Has the past half century or so of law enforcement hammered in a belief in the moderation of power by law enforcement? That such power is never used asymmetrically against the lower strata of society as opposed to the elites? Will it prevent people from being the victims of selective enforcement of laws, even non-violent ones involving the mere possession of drugs?

Lol. Lol. Lol.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by XaoDaoCaoCao »

owlninja wrote: post #45
lm28469 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can reuse that comment when we get mandatory under skin gps tracker from birth. We could even sacrifice all our liberties and get rid of every single crimes if we went further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

There was a story here locally where a young boy wandered out of his house while he was thought to be napping. The parents noticed and a search was started, but after a few hours they found him inside a neighbors car, dead from the Texas heat. A GPS tracker would have saved his life. I understand the privacy and personal liberty concerns, but I have a hard time coming to a decision on this one myself.

A dumb boy wandered outside and went inside thr dumbest place to find shelter from heat, the inside of a car.

For this you want to expose society to even more dystopian ruin by hyper-asymetrical information gatherng via GPS on a per body basis.

You can't make this up.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Adds Children as Young as 11 to Facial Recognition Database

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Post by rhcom2 »

izzydata wrote: post #20
cameronbrown wrote: post #3

I know that this might be an unpopular opinion, but if privacy really is dead, why don't we just make this data public? I know there's significant risks, but I feel like it's a better step forward than having this technology developed and deployed in secret.

People will start walking around with masks on at all times.

Then make masks illegal and you can arrest everyone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws
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